# Omnibus World Football Thread 2020-2022 (edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-soccer-fifa\ **Created:** [August 16, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264 "2020-08-16T15:38:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1022 "2023-09-12T13:56:18Z")
This feels like a very bad deal for the DFB… not because I don’t like Nags, but because the DFB would be picking up a pretty chunky salary plus whatever he can negotiate. The more I think about what Kahn and Brazzo did, the more incredibly stupid it feels. > ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1023 "2023-09-12T14:09:14Z")
What’s delicate about Watzke’s initiative for the DFB is that he’s also BVB’s president and there are rumors that Dortmund are also interested in hiring Nagelsmann after their very rocky and disappointing start into the new season. ETA: one question, as I’m not very versed in Twitter/X. Is the tweet you quoted from an official Bayern account? It seems a bit strange that they announce such internals from negotiations with the DFB on their own channels. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1024 "2023-09-12T14:56:50Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > and there are rumors that Dortmund are also interested in hiring Nagelsmann after their very rocky and disappointing start into the new season. You know, I have very much liked the Terzic to Dortmund story, and I would not have been massively disappointed if they had won the Bundesliga after Bayern played so poorly. It’s a shame that the year has started so poorly, do you have a sense of how much of that is due to Bellingham being gone, and how much of that is just some weird malaise with the team, and how much is him? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1025 "2023-09-12T15:24:28Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > do you have a sense of how much of that is due to Bellingham being gone, and how much of that is just some weird malaise with the team, and how much is him? Of course Bellingham was a great loss for Dortmund, but although he was one of their key players, he was one among several others and not as dominant and effective as in his sensational first league games for Real. Most of last season’s Dortmund team has been kept, but somehow their game has suffered. “Weird malaise”, what we would call “Schlendrian” (untranslatable), is the better guess, as it’s a recurring phenomenon in almost every season since Jürgen Klopp left. Dortmund has always had an exciting team with wonderful young players, but every season they have a phase or several single games when they seem uninspired and unmotivated, conceding points to teams that are much worse on paper. And that’s independent from who coaches them, they had a lot of different coaches since Klopp, and it happened at every season. It’s like a disease or a curse. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1026 "2023-09-12T20:56:50Z")
And you wouldn’t believe it, Germany beats France 2-1 in their first game after Flick’s dismissal and six winless games in a row. With “Tante Käthe” (Rudi Völler) on the bench. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1027 "2023-09-12T22:15:54Z")
Keep him there, nothing better than a coach that has never coached another team before, ask me how I know… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1028 "2023-09-13T19:50:05Z")
Usually not a fan of change in sport, but I think these changes to the Champions League are good. Teams will get to play eight games instead of six, so that’s good. And they’ll play eight different opponents instead of only three, making it much less likely that any team will end up with a dramatically easier or tougher schedule than average. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1029 "2023-09-17T02:19:38Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Of course Bellingham was a great loss for Dortmund, but although he was one of their key players, he was one among several others and not as dominant and effective as in his sensational first league games for Real. Most of last season’s Dortmund team has been kept, but somehow their game has suffered. “Weird malaise”, what we would call “Schlendrian” (untranslatable), is the better guess, as it’s a recurring phenomenon in almost every season since Jürgen Klopp left. Dortmund has always had an exciting team with wonderful young players, but every season they have a phase or several single games when they seem uninspired and unmotivated, conceding points to teams that are much worse on paper. And that’s independent from who coaches them, they had a lot of different coaches since Klopp, and it happened at every season. It’s like a disease or a curse. Thanks for the response. I watched them today, and was glad to see them play better (ish). Also: > From that list, my own preference is van Gaal \>\> Nagelsmann \>\>\> Glasner \> Kuntz ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1030 "2023-09-17T14:51:06Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > van Gaal A Dutchman managing the German national team??? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1031 "2023-09-17T14:57:38Z")
He might be the only non-German on the planet who would be acceptable. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1032 "2023-09-17T15:33:11Z")
German football fans wouldn’t have any qualms about van Gaal, but he’d probably become persona non grata in the Netherlands. ETA: by the way, Stefan Kuntz is on the market again. He was just fired as Turkey’s coach. His stint in Turkey wasn’t a great recommendation, though. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1033 "2023-09-19T11:42:32Z")
Nagelsmann it is, at least through the Euros. (Which I plan on attending!) > **[Breaking: Julian Nagelsmann, DFB agree to terms; Bayern Munich contract will...](https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2023/9/19/23880206/breaking-julian-nagelsmann-dfb-agree-terms-bayern-munich-contract-will-be-terminated-flick-transfer)** > > Germany has (another) new boss. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1034 "2023-09-19T12:26:26Z")
I’m skeptical. As I said before, he’s too young and arrogant for the job. I don’t like the guy very much. But let’s give him a chance and see. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1035 "2023-09-23T16:21:56Z")
Harry Kane with a hattrick in an easy 7-0 win for Bayern against Bochum. He’s now at seven goals in the first five league games, which is a club record, beating club legends such as Gerd Müller, Miro Klose and Mario Mandzukic who were all at five goals. I predicted to friends that Kane will score at least 30 goals this season, looks like he’s on a roll for that. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1036 "2023-09-23T17:11:36Z")
I never watched him much in the Premier league, it’s been a pleasure to watch how deft he is on the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1037 "2023-09-23T20:37:57Z")
Gibbs White would get fired from an Ed Wood movie with that shitty pantomime\* - Granted the red card is fully justified ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1038 "2023-09-23T21:25:01Z")
Kane’s always been great. I had no doubt he’d do well at Bayern. He might even be underrated given he does so much more than just score. I’d have to draw up a list, but he’s probably in the top 10 strikers of the 2000s. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1039 "2023-09-23T22:17:42Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > He might even be underrated given he does so much more than just score. Yeah, besides his seven goals he also already had three assists and is at second place in the Bundesliga scorer list. > **[Scorer | Bundesliga 2023/24](https://www.kicker.de/bundesliga/scorer)** > > Die Liste aller Torschützen, Vorlagen und Topscorer der Bundesliga 2023/24. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1040 "2023-10-06T01:03:49Z")
[Jurgen Klopp Is A Whinging Baby](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/04/jurgen-klopp-calls-for-spurs-liverpool-replay-after-var-error) Calling for a _replay_ of the Spurs game last weekend, because Liverpool had a clearly legal goal disallowed. Because no other team in football history has ever been robbed by a bad call 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-world-football-thread-2020-2022-edited/918264/1041 "2023-10-09T21:22:31Z")
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