# On an "Ask the Pedophile" thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 6, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906 "2010-02-06T04:34:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/121 "2010-02-07T03:12:30Z")
So, apparently, calling each other cunts and dropping f-bombs at each other in the Pit is bad for the boards’s image…but allowing a would-be kiddy-diddler is up for debate? That apparently would be kosher with Creative Logic? Oooookay. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/122 "2010-02-07T03:13:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So, apparently, calling each other cunts and dropping f-bombs at each other in the Pit is bad for the boards’s image…but allowing a would-be kiddy-diddler is up for debate? When was the board’s image invoked as a justification for the new Pit rules? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/123 "2010-02-07T03:19:59Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > The feelings of others are important, but they should not stand in the way of a discussion _as long as everyone is being civil and respectful_ and not engaging in personal attacks. As I have said - several times - everyone is free to view whichever threads they want, and there is an ignore function on the board. …why should I\* be civil to a hypothetical proud, deviant pervert who advocates changing the law so he can rape pre-teens? I wouldn’t be civil with a Nazi who wanted to change the Constitution to match the Third Reich’s (so he could kill Jews) or a Klansman who talked about how black people needed to be slaves again so white people could rape them. Look, if there was a pedophile who said “Hey, I realize I’ve got a sickness-it’s not just that naughty, intolerant society disapproves, and here’s how I deal with it to insure that I never hurt a child.” that would be one thing–and I could…kinda sorta see what you were saying. But letting a hypothetical kiddie-fucker who proudly boasts wanting to rape infants and wants to change the law so he can rape with impunity…well, that’s another thing altogether. (“Say it LOUD! I rape infants and I’m _proud_!” :rolleyes: ) And hell, if you _do_ care about a hypothetical “Toddler-fucker and proud of it”\*\* type (rather than hoping he falls face-first into a wood chipper)–then you should _really_ not want him to have a thread–he’ll either get “Oh, you poor sick dear” type posts OR he’ll get the sort of bile I’ve been posting–in the first case, he’ll be validated and in the second case, he’ll think that he’s being oppressed–either way, it won’t help him realize that he’s a sick pervert. And frankly, it’s not good for the SDMB–if the dreaded POWERS THAT BE get on Ed’s shit about columns about vaginas that smell like mustard gas (a classic column, to be sure) and are such pussies that we had to ban the word “Fuck” in pit thread titles, how are they gonna feel when they see a thread with a pervert advocating legalization of kiddie-rape? \*apart from the rules–I’m talking on a moral/ethical level here. \*\*note, not all these points apply to Cesario–I’m going out of my way to remove him from these examples ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/124 "2010-02-07T03:22:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > When was the board’s image invoked as a justification for the new Pit rules? During the unpleasantness…Ed talked about how he gets flack about Cecil’s early columns (the funny ones). He also said that pit threads with the word “Fuck” in the title weren’t good for the board’s image. (That said, he didn’t use that as a justification to ban the word “cunt”–that was (he said) purely his personal preference.) * * * That aside, Sleeps made a good point: if you’re gonna ban (or suspend?) someone for asking about vandalizing Wikipedia, I’m kinda having a hard time seeing why you keep around someone who uses the paper-thin fake-excuse “I’m not talking about raping infants, I’m talking about _changing the law so I can rape infants_. So it wouldn’t be illegal then!” ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/125 "2010-02-07T03:32:49Z")
Is not advocating something that would make a majority of the human race want to tear your nuts off “being a jerk” _a priori_? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/126 "2010-02-07T03:42:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > When was the board’s image invoked as a justification for the new Pit rules? So if the SDMB’s image was not a consideration when prohibiting certain words due to such words being offensive, then it comes down to the prohibition being based on the words being offensive to the SDMB members. > [@Proposed language restrictions in the Pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proposed-language-restrictions-in-the-pit/487910/183): > > I assure you this isn’t the case. We did have instances of staff being called cunts and told to fuck off. None of them made any demands or even suggestions for new rules in that regard; I just decided I didn’t want them being subjected to such abuse. I could have accomplished that simply by requiring that all comments regarding SDMB administration go in ATMB, which is what I did. However, as I thought about it, I realized I didn’t want ordinary users to be subjected to extreme language either. Let’s just say I’m old school in that way. Only a handful of terms are off-limits; I read threads that are crammed full of colorful invective and find nothing to object to. I think most Pit regulars will agree little has changed. That being so, can we move on? I think it’s time for a poll on whether members are more offended by being called a motherfucker or by Cesario’s pedophile posts. It would shed some light on just what is truly offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/127 "2010-02-07T03:43:47Z")
I wouldn’t have nearly such a problem with the idea of this thread if the board really were a laissez-faire utopia where rules were at an absolute minimum, but I think something is seriously wrong when a pedophile can indulge in attention-whoring freely but as soon as you call someone “motherfucker”, you’re on notice. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/128 "2010-02-07T03:45:28Z")
I certainly hope that the level of objection to Cesario having a soapbox leads TPTB to not give him one. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/129 "2010-02-07T04:00:38Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > From Ed Zotti’s reply email on 08/10/2009: > > And TubaDiva’s email two day’s previously on 06/10/2009 Thank you for that information. I cannot comment on this subject any further until I receive additional information. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/130 "2010-02-07T04:08:24Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > So if the SDMB’s image was not a consideration when prohibiting certain words due to such words being offensive, then it comes down to the prohibition being based on the words being offensive to the SDMB members. I don’t think that’s a fair reading of that quote. He doesn’t say the terms are offensive to Dopers, and many people afterward said they weren’t that offended by them. I read it as ‘I don’t want members to be subjected to that,’ not ‘members are offended by it.’ There’s really no connection between these issues. People on this board have confessed to a ton of behavior that is worse than the stuff we moderate, which most of the time is just calling people names on the internet. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. But people here will sometimes admit to infidelity, drinking and driving, violence, and so on. We had a thread once about people who have killed other people and at least one person responded in the affirmative. (It was indisputably self defense, but still.) We’ve had pedophiles here before, assuming **Cesario** is representing himself truthfully and counts as one. > [@Lobot](#): > > I wouldn’t have nearly such a problem with the idea of this thread if the board really were a laissez-faire utopia where rules were at an absolute minimum, but I think something is seriously wrong when a pedophile can indulge in attention-whoring freely but as soon as you call someone “motherfucker”, you’re on notice. Call someone a motherfucker and all you’ll get is a note instructing you not to do it again. Come out and admit you’re ignoring the rules on purpose and you’ll get a warning- which I think has happened about three times. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/131 "2010-02-07T04:09:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > To people who think he should not be allowed to post here, I point out that ignoring him will bring about that goal more quickly than advocating his banning can. Doing so would also bring his presence on the board into proper proportion and make it easier for those who are offended by his presence or his posts, or simply don’t care, to also use the board without having to deal with **Cesario** -related discussion. It’s a win-win for everyone as far as I can see. Couldn’t the same thing be said about trolling socks, O Mighty Sockhunter Extraordinaire? Perhaps if they weren’t hunted and responded to they’d just slink away? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/132 "2010-02-07T04:10:30Z")
Cesario may not be a pedophile in real life. He may just be one on this board. You can not ask anyone to get reported for what he posts on an anonymous board. As far as we know, he may be guilty of nothing. If he thinks about it and does not do it, then it still is not a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/133 "2010-02-07T04:16:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think that’s a fair reading of that quote. He doesn’t say the terms are offensive to Dopers, and many people afterward said they weren’t that offended by them. I read it as ‘I don’t want members to be subjected to that,’ not 'members are offended by it. Now that is the silliest splitting of hairs I have come across in a long time. Look, if the abuse is not offensive, then it is not abuse. It really is that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/134 "2010-02-07T04:17:46Z")
I’m sure those things are comparable somehow, **Sleep With Butterflies**. I don’t know how, but that’s not really important. And I didn’t say “ignore him and he’ll go away”- I said if you want us to moderate him for bringing up his pet cause over and over again, you have to stop responding every time he does it, because every response invites him to post more. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/135 "2010-02-07T04:23:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > . And I didn’t say “ignore him and he’ll go away”- I said if you want us to moderate him for bringing up his pet cause over and over again, you have to stop responding every time he does it, because every response invites him to post more. These two are the same thing. It’s a damned shame that otherwise allegedly rational people support the idea of letting an admitted Pedophile have sanctioned place to spew. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/136 "2010-02-07T04:24:51Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Cesario may not be a pedophile in real life. He may just be one on this board. You can not ask anyone to get reported for what he posts on an anonymous board. As far as we know, he may be guilty of nothing. If he thinks about it and does not do it, then it still is not a crime. If you see smoke pouring out of a building, it could be that there is no out-of-control fire, but you still call the fire deparment, for based on that smoke, you have reason to believe that there may be an out-of-control fire. That’s why I think the SDMB should report Cesario; based on his posts, there is reason to believe that he is a child molester, so he should be reported to authorities who can perform a proper investigation and keep tabs on his activities. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/137 "2010-02-07T04:26:30Z")
What if someone only tells you ‘I heard there’s a fire in a building across the country?’ ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/138 "2010-02-07T04:29:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And I didn’t say “ignore him and he’ll go away”- I said if you want us to moderate him for bringing up his pet cause over and over again, you have to stop responding every time he does it, because every response invites him to post more. What it comes down to, then, is that you are not actively discouraging the promotion of the fucking of infants and children by Cesario, while at the same time you are actively discouraging posters from speaking out against Cesario’s promotion of the fucking of infants and children. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/139 "2010-02-07T04:33:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What if someone only tells you ‘I heard there’s a fire in a building across the country?’ If you have Cesario’s IP address or some other identifier, then report him in his jurisdiction. Give me his IP or other identifier and I will be glad to report him. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906/140 "2010-02-07T04:35:29Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Ed, please … report him to the authorities. How does one go about contacting the Thought Police? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-an-ask-the-pedophile-thread/527906.md?page=8)