# On Cary Grant's legendary stinginess **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 27, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413 "2005-07-27T15:24:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/1 "2005-07-27T15:24:26Z")
I love Cary Grant. Even the name has to be pronounced in full if you are to appreciate the elegance with which he was able to portray his character(s). However, in recent discussions with my more biz-savvy friends, I discovered that apparently this guy was a legendary tight-ass, and “tight” doesn’t begin to describe it. Here’s a guy who was apparently _charging_ 15 cents in a local newspaper for getting autographs. WTF??? He was already a very wealthy actor. The studio would have taken care of his expenses. But even those guys didn’t know about it. At first they thought the thing was a hoax and called the authorities in (can’t have a famous movie icon’s rep besmurched), however in time they realized to thier disgust (yeah, think about it, _movie producers_) that it was all true. Good old Archibald was up to his old tricks again. They also tell me that he regularly “stole” the costumes (namely suits) that the production studios “lent” him. You were expected to give those back but stocks of 'em just went missing when Archie was around. Also Marc (film buff) tells me they actually had to chain up some of the rolls of suits they had on those racks before the end of shooting, else our lovable rogue would have made off with them. I think he may be pulling my leg with this one. Other stories I heard were that in one such movie (forgive me for the vagueness ICR which – blame that on me and not my sources) the studio thought it would be a good idea to try and set Cary up on a date with his opposite leading lady. Was she in for a treat. After they had finished thier meal, Cary charged the price of the meal to the studio’s account (as was his usual custom). But the account had dried up and the restaurant firmly held the money had to be paid there and then in some fashion. Cary simply refused to pay. This so disgusted his opposite number that in the end _she_ had to fork over the money. Needless to say, they weren’t going for a candelight to Paris after that (if they did, Cary Grant certainly wasn’t gonna fund it). Others include him marking his milk bottles (red tops), skapin his rent and general stingy-ness. The list’s too long to go into. A friendly Google shows me that it’s not all entirely bull-crap either (the story 'bout the 25-cent-autographs seems to be valid). But I can’t find much _specific_ info on details regarding his stinginess. I want corroborated evidence people. I wanna get to the bottom of this. The only thing else I can say is I think it strikes me as kinda annoying. Partly because I think unlike many stars of today, Cary Grant was known for being… well, _Cary Grant_. He _was_ the cool, smooth operator that the audience wanted him to be, and he played up to the part really well. Now whenever I see him in _Notorious_ (one of my fave films BTW) or _The Philadelphia Story_, I can’t help but burst into fits of laughter. It really pisses me off. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/2 "2005-07-27T15:41:31Z")
Remember that Archibald was typical of a large number of people who became famous in show business. He started off in poverty, had a mother who was institutionalized but he thought was dead, dropped out of school to hang around vaudeville theaters and led the most precarious and poverty-stricken life for a dozen years before finally getting a real break in movies. That group dominated Hollywood in the Depression 30s and tended to fall into one of two clusters: either they were legendarily tight-fisted (e.g. Groucho Marx) or they threw it around like Monopoly money (e.g. Chico Marx). I don’t consider the second group’s response to be any different (more admirable, morally superior, etc.) than the first. It would be nice to think that these people with no education and street upbringings would be sensible with money when they suddenly became impossibly rich and famous but it’s also totally unrealistic. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/3 "2005-07-27T15:42:06Z")
> [@MadderMitch](#): > > The only thing else I can say is I think it strikes me as kinda annoying. Partly because I think unlike many stars of today, Cary Grant was known for being… well, _Cary Grant_. He _was_ the cool, smooth operator that the audience wanted him to be, and he played up to the part really well. I have no information here but…regardless of who Cary Grant was, I believe Archie Leach grew up poor (I believe, I could be mistaken). And that might have a lot to do with what Cary Grant did. ---
**Author:** ![UntouchedTakeaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d78d45/32.png) [@UntouchedTakeaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UntouchedTakeaway)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/4 "2005-07-27T18:27:12Z")
And on the other hand, he was the only one of heiress Barbara Huttons many husbands who did _not_ seek alimony upon their divorce - even though the press referred to them as “Cash and Cary”. VCNJ~ ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/5 "2005-07-27T23:20:02Z")
It occurs to me that if my employer assigns me to take a fellow employee out to dinner, I am to be forgiven if I assume that my employer is to be held responsible for the tab. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/6 "2005-07-27T23:36:58Z")
> [@MadderMitch](#): > > …(one of my fave films BTW) or _The Philadelphia Story_… This certificate entitles the bearer to an unlimited number of brownie points with one of this forum’s moderators. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/7 "2005-07-27T23:42:14Z")
As in **Dex**? ---
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/8 "2005-07-27T23:46:54Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > It occurs to me that if my employer assigns me to take a fellow employee out to dinner, I am to be forgiven if I assume that my employer is to be held responsible for the tab. I don’t think it was _expected_ of him to pay. As I mentioned usually it would be the studio who would pick up the tab. But in the absence of funds, the classy choice would have been to pay up and then extract said money from the studio at a later date. Not throw a hissy fit and point blank refuse to pay. ---
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/9 "2005-07-27T23:50:12Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > I have no information here but…regardless of who Cary Grant was, I believe Archie Leach grew up poor (I believe, I could be mistaken). And that might have a lot to do with what Cary Grant did. Point taken. ---
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2005, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/10 "2005-07-27T23:55:58Z")
Oh, also from [here](http://www.carygrant.net/articles/few%20words.htm) Cary says: > [@](#): > > “But I’ve read some of the other biographies of me and – whew! They all repeat the rumors that I’m a tightwad and that I’m homosexual. Now I don’t feel that either of those is an insult, but it’s all nonsense. And it’s only half-true. I am not gay, but I am tight with a dollar. And what’s wrong with that? When I was married to Barbara Hutton, my valet gave an interview saying that I was so cheap I would keep the buttons when I threw away my shirts. Well, I did do that, but it seemed like a sensible thing to do. After all, the buttons still were perfectly all right, and I would need them in case the buttons on my good shirts went bad.” He was resourceful, I’ll give him that much. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/11 "2005-07-28T00:22:38Z")
I say cut him some slack since he was, after all, _Cary Grant_. That and he could be very generous and forgiving: The first time he met Audrey Hepburn before filming _Charade_, she had him over for dinner, and was so nervous she spilled red wine all over his WHITE suit. She was mortified-he thought it was funny. I also heard that when his daughter Jennifer was born, he presented his wife, Dyan Cannon with a diamond bracelet worth 5,000 dollars. When his daughter, Jennifer, was born, According to IDMB: -he donated his entire salary from _The Philadelphia Story_ to the British war effort. His entire salary for _Arsenic and Old Lace_ he gave to the U.S. War Relief Fund. -he stayed close to Barbara Hutton’s son even after his divorce from the boy’s mother, and referred to the young man as his son. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/12 "2005-07-28T00:26:42Z")
D’oh, cross out that extra “when his daughter, Jennifer was born.” Dammit. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/13 "2005-07-28T00:43:10Z")
> [@MadderMitch](#): > > I don’t think it was _expected_ of him to pay. As I mentioned usually it would be the studio who would pick up the tab. But in the absence of funds, the classy choice would have been to pay up and then extract said money from the studio at a later date. Not throw a hissy fit and point blank refuse to pay. Maybe he had some sympathy for the cheapness of the studio bosses. Having come from a similar background (at least economically), he might not have _wanted_ to sock them with the dinner check. Just a thought… ---
**Author:** ![dwyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwyr/32/363_2.png) [@dwyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwyr)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/14 "2005-07-28T01:02:50Z")
I agree with ol’ Archie on the button thing. I always cut off the buttons on clothes I’m throwing into the rag bag. Sometimes they come in handy as replacements. I can’t always find matching buttons in the store. Practical is stingy? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/15 "2005-07-28T01:20:00Z")
What does it mean to mark one’s milk bottles, and how does it save you money? Nobody brings milk to my door. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/16 "2005-07-28T11:29:30Z")
> [@MadderMitch](#): > > Others include him marking his milk bottles (red tops),… Like **friedo** , I want to know what this means. I’ve never heard the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/17 "2005-07-28T15:00:39Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Like **friedo** , I want to know what this means. I’ve never heard the phrase. Mee too. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/18 "2005-07-28T15:26:03Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > What does it mean to mark one’s milk bottles, and how does it save you money? You make a grease-pencil mark on the level of the milk, to see if anyone else is drinking it. Of course, smart servants have a duplicate grease-pencil . . . ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/19 "2005-07-28T15:26:35Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > What does it mean to mark one’s milk bottles, and how does it save you money? > > Nobody brings milk to my door. :mad: wonder if it’s the same as with spirits - marking off the level so’s you can tell if the kids have been been stealing a nip. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413/20 "2005-07-28T15:29:09Z")
A little google fu turned up [this article](http://mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00270/96020207.Htm) : > [@](#): > > However, the cheapest star of his era was Cary Grant. The precise > etymology of the name “El Squeako” is unknown, although Grant seems to > have been proud of it. When he was married to the Woolworth heiress, > Barbara Hutton (“Cash and Cary,” they were called), Grant regularly > counted the logs in the mansion garage, a habit he learned from Rosalind > Russell. **He also marked all the milk bottles in the refrigerator with a > red pen, to keep the household staff from pilfering.** According to a > string of bitter valets, he washed all his shirts himself and even > dipped the monograms from the pockets of his old pajamas when they wore > out. Later on, when he sold one of his houses, he insisted on painting > the front, an old tightwad ruse, and letting the back go to seed. > “Nobody looks at the back,” he told his broker. On preview, I see the other answers… but at least Mr. Grant didn’t resort to using the tampon trick with his milk. 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-cary-grants-legendary-stinginess/314413.md?page=2)