# On “crime and punishment “ **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295 "2018-10-02T02:46:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/21 "2018-10-02T05:12:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If you don’t have anything helpful or on topic to post then what are you doing? Could you please stay on topic? Did I quote your OP? Did I emphasise part of what you said to bring out one underlying, unstated implication of your proposed action? Why, I think I did. Perfectly on topic. Or since you seem to need it stated out clearly : I think the topic ban is a \*much \*more fitting sanction for misogynous posting than a one-week suspension. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/22 "2018-10-02T05:13:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Grownups shouldn’t need warnings, notes, or safe spaces. Grown ups also shouldn’t need a mod to insta-suspend them to protect them from themselves. They should, you know, act like a grown up. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/23 "2018-10-02T05:20:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Grownups shouldn’t need warnings, notes, or safe spaces. **But since that is demonstrably not the case ridiculing finer granularity and speed is helpful and productive conversation in what manner?** I’ve read the bolded bit a few times and cannot for the life of me fathom what it is meant to mean. Now maybe I am just particularly dense this afternoon, I’d never discount that possibility, but could you clarify for me please? Cheers ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/24 "2018-10-02T05:32:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Did I quote your OP? Did I emphasise part of what you said to bring out one underlying, unstated implication of your proposed action? Why, I think I did. Perfectly on topic. > > Or since you seem to need it stated out clearly : I think the topic ban is a \*much \*more fitting sanction for misogynous posting than a one-week suspension. Because you are _derailing_ the thread by fixating on one tiny and, frankly, superfluous aspect of my post. Your continued argument against unstated implications as some great truth is tedious. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Grown ups also shouldn’t need a mod to insta-suspend them to protect them from themselves. They should, you know, act like a grown up. Yet, you needed engineer\_comp\_geek to advise you to shut up for the night. Which to your credit, you did. > [@kambuckta](#): > > I’ve read the bolded bit a few times and cannot for the life of me fathom what it is meant to mean. Now maybe I am just particularly dense this afternoon, I’d never discount that possibility, but could you clarify for me please? > > Cheers Sure. Since we have a board with mods, which grown ups shouldn’t need, and some of what the mods do include sanctions such as suspensions, bannings, warnings, or “shut up, Drunky, for the night” (which again grown ups shouldn’t need) then further options that grown ups shouldn’t need might actually be a good idea and not an idea that needs reflexive ridiculing from the same ol’ gang. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/25 "2018-10-02T05:38:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sure. Since we have a board with mods, which grown ups shouldn’t need, and some of what the mods do include sanctions such as suspensions, bannings, warnings, or “shut up, Drunky, for the night” (which again grown ups shouldn’t need) then further options that grown ups shouldn’t need might actually be a good idea and not an idea that needs reflexive ridiculing from the same ol’ gang. Am I reading you right? So we have a board, with mods, who dish out sanctions sometimes and you want more options for the mods? What other options could there be? Oh, PS, ‘Shut up Drunky’ is a board meme now. Maybe you should lurk a bit more and post a bit less until you are au fait with board culture, just sayin’. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/26 "2018-10-02T05:38:42Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Grown ups also shouldn’t need a mod to insta-suspend them to protect them from themselves. They should, you know, act like a grown up. Didn’t you just … ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/27 "2018-10-02T05:42:31Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Am I reading you right? So we have a board, with mods, who dish out sanctions sometimes and you want more options for the mods? What other options could there be? AFAICT the proposal is for what’s been variously called a “time out” or “jerk suspension” or “insta-suspension”, where the mods can immediately shut down your posting privileges for a brief period (say, 12-36 hours) without prior deliberations or warnings. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/28 "2018-10-02T05:46:43Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Am I reading you right? So we have a board, with mods, who dish out sanctions sometimes and you want more options for the mods? What other options could there be? > > Oh, PS, ‘Shut up Drunky’ is a board meme now. Maybe you should lurk a bit more and post a bit less until you are au fait with board culture, just sayin’. 😃 It was obvious in the my OP. I’m honestly not sure what is difficult about this. There is no way I can write “decide and act quicker in order to defuse but with less long term ramifications” than I already have. And when e\_c\_g told Drunky to stop posting for the night after a, and this might be a record, triple-triple post I doubt he was memeing. But I’ve been wrong before. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/29 "2018-10-02T05:54:04Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > {…} What other options could there be? {…} Well, there is the washing out with soap for the potty mouths. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/30 "2018-10-02T05:57:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > AFAICT the proposal is for what’s been variously called a “time out” or “jerk suspension” or “insta-suspension”, where the mods can immediately shut down your posting privileges for a brief period (say, 12-36 hours) without prior deliberations or warnings. That’s always been an option! I got an insta-suspension years ago by the esteemed Lynn Bodoni for wishing everyone a ‘Happy Fucking New Year’ in the Pit. She deemed it a joke thread and BOOM, I was banished for a week. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/31 "2018-10-02T06:10:41Z")
I found it!! [Happy Fucking New Year](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=232300) Where 'ere you are Lynn, I shall always remember you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/32 "2018-10-02T06:53:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Didn’t you just … Didn’t I just what? Come on, be a **man** now, and actually say what you mean. Don’t be one of those “icky little girls” and just “tee-hee” and hint at what you actually want to say. Be a **MAN**. And say it. Or are you actually too scared to be a real man and reveal your hand to the mods about what you actually are? You too, like Starving Artist, have Pit threads about you where many people complain about how you interact with this board. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/33 "2018-10-02T07:13:10Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Didn’t I just what? > > Come on, be a **man** now, and actually say what you mean. > > Don’t be one of those “icky little girls” and just “tee-hee” and hint at what you actually want to say. > > Be a **MAN**. > > And say it. I have confidence that an astute observer can figure it out. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Or are you actually too scared to be a real man and reveal your hand to the mods about what you actually are? I don’t know what you’re imagining, but it sounds like you’re way off base, which is about par for the course with your posts. I suppose the irony of following up your “be a man and say it” rant with this “what you actually are” hinting is entirely lost on you. Pity. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You too, like Starving Artist, have Pit threads about you where many people complain about how you interact with this board. Well then I guess it’s a good thing that I’ve recently been [reassured by the mods](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21242820#post21242820) that the mewling there doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/34 "2018-10-02T07:26:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Because you are _derailing_ the thread by fixating on one tiny and, frankly, superfluous aspect of my post. That your proposal would mean you would not have received the permanent injunction you currently labour under is hardly a superfluous aspect. I would say it’s probably the entire point of the thread. > [@](#): > > Your continued argument against unstated implications as some great truth is tedious. You level of boredom is not my concern. Making it clear to other posters, and the mods, that this is, IMO, just a thinly-disguised _second_ thread of complaint about the severity of your topic ban, is. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/35 "2018-10-02T07:32:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That your proposal would mean you would not have received the permanent injunction you currently labour under is hardly a superfluous aspect. I would say it’s probably the entire point of the thread. > > You level of boredom is not my concern. > > Making it clear to other posters, and the mods, that this is, IMO, just a thinly-disguised _second_ thread of complaint about the severity of your topic ban, is. What are you going on about? You calling me a liar? I told you that my topic ban in ATMB, for questioning the mod note mind you, was completely superfluous to my OP. I am sure your concern is not needed because the mods and other posters should be able to read. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/36 "2018-10-02T07:37:00Z")
Can we reinstate SA as swapsies for Octopus and HD? Two for one, good deal, at least he was able to present a semi-coherent argument (as shocking as it was). These others are just word-salads. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/37 "2018-10-02T07:53:46Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > What are you going on about? Your OP. > [@](#): > > You calling me a liar? I think you’re being disingenuous, so I think you could say I’m saying that, yes. > [@](#): > > I told you that my topic ban in ATMB, for questioning the mod note mind you, was completely superfluous to my OP. I don’t believe you. Especially since that little qualification clause makes it clear you _still_ don’t get that it was an appropriate sanction. > [@](#): > > I am sure your concern is not needed because the mods and other posters should be able to read. I agree completely. I’m giving my opinion, not telling people what to think. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/38 "2018-10-02T08:11:43Z")
But, yeah, I’ve said my piece, I’ll happily bow out of this thread for now. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/39 "2018-10-02T10:47:24Z")
“Protect me from what I want” — Jenny Holzer Sometimes, some grownups could use a “nanny.” I think the OP’s idea should be implemented sometimes — another tool in the toolbox, as Bone put it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295/40 "2018-10-02T10:53:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I think if you read and respond to the whole post instead of joining LHoD in an attempt to make this comedy hour you’d see that it’s nowhere near the same. But you knew that. So yeah, I was trying to be clever, fair call. But what I was saying–that you have the control to leave the boards whenever you feel the need, and you can even leave an angry spray of toxic ink (or angry burst of toxic pixels, I suppose) behind you–is true. If behavior is bad enough to earn a suspension, I absolutely think it should be tracked. Someone who regularly shows that little self-control isn’t necessarily someone who should get to stay around. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295.md?page=3)