# On "I'm Christian, unless you're gay" and Christian "tolerance" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867 "2012-04-04T23:52:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/101 "2012-04-06T18:05:15Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > “Hate the sin, love the sinner” is a direct quote from [Mahatma Ghandi](http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/36366.html). Oh man, THAT guy, always stirring the shit. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/102 "2012-04-06T19:19:06Z")
I stopped being a christian so I could hate gays without being a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/103 "2012-04-06T19:25:02Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I stopped being a christian so I could hate gays without being a hypocrite. Ha! No way… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/104 "2012-04-06T19:27:21Z")
When he says “love gay people” why do you read it as “tolerate gay people”? He doesn’t say tolerate them. He says _love_ them. I understand what the OP is saying, but I think he is being massively unfair to the article’s author. When he lists gang members, tattooed people, the homeless, etc, he’s listing groups that Christians have often had a hard time loving and he says “love them.” I don’t see where he says “they’re terrible sinners, but love them anyway”; he says “love them.” Now to me the whole article was a “well, duh” but I belong to a fairly progressive church. I definitely see how this command is more challenge to more conservative Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/105 "2012-04-06T19:39:59Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > When he says “love gay people” why do you read it as “tolerate gay people”? He doesn’t say tolerate them. He says _love_ them. I understand what the OP is saying, but I think he is being massively unfair to the article’s author. When he lists gang members, tattooed people, the homeless, etc, he’s listing groups that Christians have often had a hard time loving and he says “love them.” I don’t see where he says “they’re terrible sinners, but love them anyway”; he says “love them.” > > Now to me the whole article was a “well, duh” but I belong to a fairly progressive church. I definitely see how this command is more challenge to more conservative Christians. Right. I don’t see any evidence that the guy thinks homosexuality is a sin. But the video is addressed to Christians who _do_ think its a sin, and while ideally I’d want those people to stop thinking of it that way, it’s unrealistic to expect them to jump straight from, “God hates fags” to “Straight, not narrow” in one move. If we want these people to stop being homophobes, we have to recognize that it’s going to be a gradual process. A process that is not at all helped by screaming, brain-damaged assholes like the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/106 "2012-04-06T23:08:10Z")
> [@FE3O4ENAIL](#): > > I don’t think AIDS would have killed so many people if there were no such thing as homosexuality. > > If I were to say I was a pacifist, and I went around beating people up, would you say " Boy, those pacifists sure are violent"? > Or would you say"You are not a pacifist because your actions do not match your stated belief". > This is my trouble with No True Scotsman. I would think a Christian would act like he loves his neighbor as himself. If a person doesn’t act that way, the label of Christian is not accurate. You are a fucking joke. Your contention is to disavow any Christian who engages in violence, while claiming AIDS transmission is predicated on homosexuality is so stupid it hurt my eyeballs. You are a worthless human being and I’d argue with you more it was worth my time. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/107 "2012-04-07T00:12:36Z")
> [@FE3O4ENAIL](#): > > I think some people believe that there are 10 whatchamacallits, strongly worded suggestions, or something like that. > > It is my understanding that one of those, um, oh, yeah, commandments, has something to do with not having sex with anyone who is not your spouse. > > I guess that is where the objection to homosexuallity comes from. This is a joke, right? Please tell me it’s a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/108 "2012-04-07T00:46:31Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > When he says “love gay people” why do you read it as “tolerate gay people”? He doesn’t say tolerate them. He says _love_ them. I understand what the OP is saying, but I think he is being massively unfair to the article’s author. When he lists gang members, tattooed people, the homeless, etc, he’s listing groups that Christians have often had a hard time loving and he says “love them.” I don’t see where he says “they’re terrible sinners, but love them anyway”; he says “love them.” > > Now to me the whole article was a “well, duh” but I belong to a fairly progressive church. I definitely see how this command is more challenge to more conservative Christians. +1[sup]n[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![FE3O4ENAIL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba9def/32.png) [@FE3O4ENAIL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FE3O4ENAIL)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/109 "2012-04-07T00:51:56Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > You are a fucking joke. Your contention is to disavow any Christian who engages in violence, while claiming AIDS transmission is predicated on homosexuality is so stupid it hurt my eyeballs. > > You are a worthless human being and I’d argue with you more it was worth my time. Yeah, I don’t think you can draw the conclusions you want from my post. ---
**Author:** ![FE3O4ENAIL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba9def/32.png) [@FE3O4ENAIL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FE3O4ENAIL)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/110 "2012-04-07T00:55:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > This is a joke, right? Please tell me it’s a joke. Yes, a big old joke. What do you find that is not a joke? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/111 "2012-04-07T00:59:42Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > +1[sup]n[/sup] 1[sup]n[/sup] = 1. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/112 "2012-04-07T02:04:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > > [@Polycarp](#): > > > > +1[sup]n[/sup] > > 1[sup]n[/sup] = 1. This is all very zen, dudes. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/113 "2012-04-07T03:46:39Z")
> [@FE3O4ENAIL](#): > > Yes, a big old joke. > > What do you find that is not a joke? Not your communication skills. Let me get this straight: you are actually suggesting that Christians who object to homosexuality do so because they object to sex outside marriage? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/114 "2012-04-07T03:53:03Z")
0.9999…=1 _runs_ ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/115 "2012-04-07T07:21:37Z")
nemmind ---
**Author:** ![FE3O4ENAIL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba9def/32.png) [@FE3O4ENAIL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FE3O4ENAIL)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/116 "2012-04-07T13:34:13Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Not your communication skills. Let me get this straight: you are actually suggesting that Christians who object to homosexuality do so because they object to sex outside marriage? I believe to be true that there exists on the planet Earth, more than one person who self identifies as a Christian,and those people believe that having sexual relations outside of a marrage is an act of adultery,and said adultery is among the forbidden actions in the Ten Commandments,and furthermore, they object to people commiting adultery in any form. But I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/117 "2012-04-07T13:36:28Z")
> [@FE3O4ENAIL](#): > > I believe to be true that there exists on the planet Earth, more than one person who self identifies as a Christian,and those people believe that having sexual relations outside of a marrage is an act of adultery,and said adultery is among the forbidden actions in the Ten Commandments,and furthermore, they object to people commiting adultery in any form. > But I could be wrong. Well then how can they oppose gay marriage?!? Gotta save them from living in SIN! ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/118 "2012-04-07T14:13:06Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Well then how can they oppose gay marriage?!? Gotta save them from living in SIN! Actually, the RCC is wholly consistent on this issue. They say that any non-procreative sex is against the natural order of things and since homosexual sex isn’t procreative, it is not permitted. I’m sure there are some hypocritical bigots that use contraception and vote against legalising gay marriage anyway, which is utterly indefensible in my view. ---
**Author:** ![Ichbin\_Dubist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ichbin\_Dubist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichbin_Dubist)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/119 "2012-04-07T14:32:48Z")
> [@FE3O4ENAIL](#): > > I believe to be true that there exists on the planet Earth, more than one person who self identifies as a Christian,and those people believe that having sexual relations outside of a marrage is an act of adultery,and said adultery is among the forbidden actions in the Ten Commandments,and furthermore, they object to people commiting adultery in any form. > But I could be wrong. When people are pilloried, assaulted, and occasionally murdered for having premarital sex, you may have a point. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867/120 "2012-04-07T14:37:33Z")
> [@Ichbin Dubist](#): > > When people are pilloried, assaulted, and occasionally murdered for having premarital sex, you may have a point. Does happen. Not in the last bastion of all that is good and decent, but in [their ally](http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-3511560.html). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-im-christian-unless-youre-gay-and-christian-tolerance/617867.md?page=7)