Are you then saying Truth has no meaning for you. Facts are what is true, so then you don’t care for the truth, just your own beliefs?If something isn’t true or factual, it is a lie, or an untruth!It isn’t what man thinks, but what is already a thing that can be proven, if not at the moment then later on, like the round earth theory.
According to Genesis, God didn’t want them to know good from evil, that was why they( and all humans) must suffer,because now they knew evil from good.
The choice boils down to one thing,“My way or the highway” Not really a choice!
No, it doesn’t, not in any dictionary I have ever perused. That is a major problem with talking to some religionists-the “Alice In Wonderland” approach of words meaning whatever they want them to mean.
He’s kind of right, under the principle of “ignorantia juris non excusat”. Course when it comes to a felony, there’d be no mens rea either.
Fundamental issues of free will become more complicated when we consider how limited we are in our capacity to sin. For example, we cannot commit murder by shooting lasers out of our eyes, nor can we commit adultery by stopping time and raping an attractive person. Clearly God has limited our free will in some respects, why not in others?
It does not apply if the accused is not only ignorant of the law, but is totally incapable of understanding the law during the commission of the crime.
Oh, true that. I do remember reading about a murderer that was due to undergo the death penalty but repeatedly failed some intelligence tests. In that state, there was a minimum IQ required in order to be executed, so his prisoners set about educating him. Perhaps a similar principle could apply here?
Again, isn’t it your doctrine that Mary was born free of original sin, which presumably means she would have qualified as a sacrifice? And, at that, if God could arrange for her to be free of original sin, couldn’t He easily do it two or twelve or twenty-two more times? (And that’s not even counting Yom Kippur!)
The point of confession is that the person must acknowledge their sin and seek repentance. It is not enough that Jesus already died and paid the price, it is that the person must acknowledge that they failed to remain true, and thus wipe away the new sin that was collected. Just like you do the dishes, and then turn around and there are more dirty dishes, because someone else had another meal. You have to do the dishes again. The sinner has to be cleansed again through confession and absolution.
Because that does not explain with in the Christian context. The Christian context is the claim that “Jesus died for our sins” and that “Jesus paid the price through torture”, etc. Those statements are not answered by “Jesus had to be martyred so people would hear about him”.
I suppose the argument could be made that Jesus dying for our sins was Jesus electing to be martyred rather than running away and hiding. But that really isn’t what the Christian experience is about. Certainly not the flavor I grew up with.
Snerk.
loftconversions, you have merely provided a restatement of one version of the Christian claim, not provided any explanations for that claim. That fails to answer the question.
He has a valid point in that facts are what we think is true, and sometimes we find out we were in error, and what we thought were facts are then no longer considered facts.
Neither I nor the dictionary, can state in truth anything about God, one can belive what they wish, but that doesn’t make it fact. Both myself and the dictionary can be wrong when it comes to God, and the meaning of the Word. God is an English word for the unknown,Other countries have a different way of spelling the word.It is a passed on thing from one human to another,no proof. I make no claim that I am right, I just use the brain I have and my life experiences, I just cannot understand how a Being can exist if it is not first in existence.As i understand it any being must first have a place to be.Place must preceed a being, just as humans need earth or something to exist on.
Not so, just to think something is factual doesn’t make it a fact. One can think it is a fact that the earth is flat, or the moon is made of blue cheese, but no matter how one takes it to be factual it can never be a fact. a fact can be unknown, but that doesn’t make it less than a fact…a big difference!
But a supreme being who knows all things ahead of time must have known that would happen, so he must have got a kick out of suffering! And to punish a whole family through all generations because one ancestor was bad, is not the act of a loving father) or parent), so that would eliminate that their god was loving, kind, caring, or worth adoration or love!
But the Bible , a compilation written, copied, changed, selected and translated by Men, doesn’t really prove anything. It’s a source for thought not absolutes.
There was lots of different ideas about what Christ taught and what it really meant during those first few hundred years. Perhaps the winners just had power and influence rather than the truth.
Aren’t we warned agasint latching onto the traditions of men.
Well, that’s certainly one possible interpretation, but it is far from the most common. Most versions of religion are trying really hard to spell out as much known about God as they can. Christianity itself starts with a specific God concept in mind.
The point is that we call something a fact, and then later learn out it is false. We thought it was a fact, but it turned out not to be so. Our lack of understanding did not make the thing true, but we thought it was true at the time.
Certainly kanicbird is mangling the terminology, but there is a gem of truth in the complaint that was stated.
I seems like you are saying that basically the sinners are in the same boat they were in before Jesus died to pay the price for their sins.
So then did Jesus only temporarily wash away the sins by his great sacrifice, I mean since the sinner still has to be cleansed again and again, like a dirty dish?
A hugh sacrifice from Jesus, for a short term cleansing;
or ground work for the perfect priestly responsibility to take confession,
and absolve the sinner again and again in the name of God?
We must suffer the incorrect choice now that we know the difference
In my house, that is your choice. Why should Gods house be different?
Because they disobeyed God.
If my child disobeys me, she gets punished. Even if she doesnt know why the rule exists. I dont explain everything to my children on why I set a limit.
Jesus knew why He was here. He did not know every decision of the Father.
I understand the direction of your statements, and the best I can do is The Bible, Faith and Teachings. Each person must decide for them self if this is enough.
Are your children totally incapable of knowing the difference between good and bad?
At what age?