# On the clock - 2008 NFL Draft **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 22, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429 "2008-04-22T18:40:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/241 "2008-04-26T22:19:57Z")
**Omnisicient** , what don’t you like about Brohm? Is there a specific reason? Last year he was projected as the top QB prospect. After Petrino left he had to adjust to a new head coach. Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![EsotericEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@EsotericEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EsotericEnigma)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/242 "2008-04-26T22:20:34Z")
Didn’t Pittsburgh switch to a 4-3? Is Mel Kiper drunk? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/243 "2008-04-26T22:22:37Z")
[QUOTE=Southern Yankee] **Omnisicient** , what don’t you like about Brohm? Is there a specific reason? Last year he was projected as the top QB prospect. After Petrino left he had to adjust to a new head coach. Just curious. [/QUOTE] He’s got a potato arm. Total system QB. He’s Alex Smith all over again. He’s average sized and simply can’t make all the throws. He’s accurate which is good and he could be a decent game manager somewhere, but not a franchise guy. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/244 "2008-04-26T22:24:18Z")
[QUOTE=EsotericEnigma] Didn’t Pittsburgh switch to a 4-3? Is Mel Kiper drunk? [/QUOTE] I haven’t heard anything about this. You sure you’re not the one having a smart cocktail? ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/245 "2008-04-26T22:25:20Z")
I agree about his arm strength, but I think he is very good game manager, and like you said, very accurate. Maybe more like Chad Pennington than Alex Smith. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/246 "2008-04-26T22:29:58Z")
[QUOTE=Southern Yankee] I agree about his arm strength, but I think he is very good game manager, and like you said, very accurate. Maybe more like Chad Pennington than Alex Smith. [/QUOTE] I actually had typed “Chad Pennington/Alex Smith” when I started that reply. I agree that Pennington is probably his ceiling. However, I’m one of those people who don’t see that as a particularly good thing. You get game managers in the 3rd round, not the 1st IMHO. ETA: After some thought, Kyle Orton is actually a really good analog for Brohm. The Bears got him in the 4th round and that’s probably where Brohm belongs, his value is inflated because of all the hype Louisville/Bobby Petrino/Michael Bush got 2 years ago. I think that high rating last season was the flawed one, not this years, and the better QBs available this year helps scouts realize it. ---
**Author:** ![EsotericEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@EsotericEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EsotericEnigma)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/247 "2008-04-26T22:32:20Z")
The Eagles traded a 4th rounder for Lorenzo Booker of the Dolphins. Booker is a tools guy with speed, really good hands, quickness, and return ability. Good depth pick, but he hasn’t shown anything to really prove he can get away from his injury concerns, and he’s pretty small to ever be a feature back. I’m pretty sure I’m the only one interested in this. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/248 "2008-04-26T22:36:24Z")
I’m surprised the Jets liked Keller over Fred Davis. The Giants do the predictable thing and take **S - Kenny Phillips**. I’m wating for Ellis’ commentary. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/249 "2008-04-26T22:37:53Z")
Shouldn’t we all take a moment mourn the Pats would-be 1st round pick? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/250 "2008-04-26T22:37:59Z")
I wonder if the Cowboys will trade up to get a WR. Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/251 "2008-04-26T22:38:38Z")
My 'phins are up agsin. So many holes to fill! I always think you build with lineman (offensive and defensive), but any playmaker is needed. A WR, perhaps? And their DBs are really thin. ETA: And it is indeed a defensive lineman. I’m always happy with those line picks; the best place to start building a team. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/252 "2008-04-26T22:40:06Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] I wonder if the Cowboys will trade up to get a WR. Hmmmm… [/QUOTE] Looks like they might not need to. Merling looks like a really nice fit for the 3-4 Defense and a hell of a value to the Dolphins. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/253 "2008-04-26T22:43:03Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient] I actually had typed “Chad Pennington/Alex Smith” when I started that reply. I agree that Pennington is probably his ceiling. However, I’m one of those people who don’t see that as a particularly good thing. You get game managers in the 3rd round, not the 1st IMHO. ETA: After some thought, Kyle Orton is actually a really good analog for Brohm. The Bears got him in the 4th round and that’s probably where Brohm belongs, his value is inflated because of all the hype Louisville/Bobby Petrino/Michael Bush got 2 years ago. I think that high rating last season was the flawed one, not this years, and the better QBs available this year helps scouts realize it. [/QUOTE] Er… except he played in a completely different system last year, and put up better numbers than he ever did in Petrino’s pass-happy offense. I am so very happy that the Bucs didn’t take Devin Thomas. I’ll take Talib and his weed suspensions over Thomas, who’ll probably never see an NFL field outside a four-receiver set. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/254 "2008-04-26T22:43:35Z")
So here’s how the first round shook out, compared with Doper predictions from the previous thread. SDMB picks in italics: 1 (1) Miami Dolphins Jake Long T Michigan _1 (1) Miami Dolphins – Jake Long, OT, Michigan_ 2 (2) St. Louis Rams Chris Long DE Virginia _2 (2) St. Louis Rams – Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU_ 3 (3) Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan QB Boston College _3 (3) Atlanta Falcons – Chris Long, DE, Virginia_ 4 (4) Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB Arkansas _4 (4) Oakland Raiders – Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas_ 5 (5) Kansas City Chiefs Glenn Dorsey DT LSU _5 (5) Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College_ 6 (6) New York Jets Vernon Gholston OLB Ohio State _6 (6) New York Jets – Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State_ 7 (7) New Orleans Saints (from New England) Sedrick Ellis DT USC _7 (7) New England Patriots (From 49ers) – Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC_ 8 (8) Jacksonville Jaguars (from Baltimore) Derrick Harvey DE Florida _8 (8) Baltimore Ravens – Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy_ 9 (9) Cincinnati Bengals Keith Rivers OLB USC _9 (9) Cincinnati Bengals – Keith Rivers, LB, USC_ 10 (10) New England Patriots (from New Orleans) Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee _10 (10) New Orleans Saints – Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St._ 11 (11) Buffalo Bills Leodis McKelvin CB Troy _11 (11) Buffalo Bills – Limas, Sweed, WR, Texas_ 12 (12) Denver Broncos Ryan Clady T Boise State _12 (12) Denver Broncos – Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St._ 13 (13) Carolina Panthers Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon _13 (13) Carolina Panthers – Branden Albert, OG, Virginia_ 14 (14) Chicago Bears Chris Williams T Vanderbilt _14 (14) Chicago Bears – Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois_ 15 (15) Kansas City Chiefs (from Detroit) Branden Albert G Virginia _15 (15) Detroit Lions – Jeff Otah, OT, Pitt_ 16 (16) Arizona Cardinals Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State _16 (16) Arizona Cardinals – Aquib Talib, CB, Kansas_ 17 (17) Detroit Lions (from Kansas City via Minnesota) Gosder Cherilus T Boston College _17 (17) Minnesota Vikings – Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware_ 18 (18) Baltimore Ravens (from Houston) Joe Flacco QB Delaware _18 (18) Houston Texans – Mike Jenkins, CB, S. Florida_ 19 (19) Carolina Panthers (from Philadelphia) Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh _19 (19) Philadelphia Eagles – DeSean Jackson, WR, California_ 20 (20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Aqib Talib CB Kansas _20 (20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee_ 21 (21) Atlanta Falcons (from Washington) Sam Baker T USC _21 (21) Washington Redskins – Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State_ 22 (22) Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland) Felix Jones RB Arkansas _22 (22) Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) – Jonathon Stewart, RB, Oregon_ 23 (23) Pittsburgh Steelers Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois _23 (23) Pittsburgh Steelers – Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College_ 24 (24) Tennessee Titans Chris Johnson RB East Carolina _24 (24) Tennessee Titans – Derrick Harvery, DE, Florida_ 25 (25) Dallas Cowboys (from Seattle) Mike Jenkins CB South Florida _25 (25) Seattle Seahawks – Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville_ 26 (26) Houston Texans (from Baltimore) Duane Brown T Virginia Tech _26 (26) Jacksonville Jaguars – Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt_ 27 (27) San Diego Chargers Antoine Cason CB Arizona _27 (27) San Diego Chargers – Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina_ 28 (28) Seattle Seahawks (from Dallas) Lawrence Jackson DE USC _28 (28) Dallas Cowboys – James Hardy, WR, Indiana_ 29 (29) San Francisco 49ers (from Indianapolis) Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina _29 (29) San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) – Dan Connor, LB, Penn State_ 30 (30) New York Jets (from Green Bay) Dustin Keller TE Purdue _30 (30) Green Bay Packers – Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson_ 31 (31) New York Giants Kenny Phillips S Miami _31 (31) New York Giants–Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona_ So in review: nobody could have expected all these trades, Merling and Rodgers-Cromartie slipped into the second round, as did all the WRs and Brian Brohm - although I think most mock drafts didn’t have him going in the first round anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/255 "2008-04-26T22:43:36Z")
Um, raise your hand if you had Donnie Avery as the first WR off the board… ---
**Author:** ![EsotericEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@EsotericEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EsotericEnigma)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/256 "2008-04-26T22:46:11Z")
Donnie Avery, huh?? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/257 "2008-04-26T22:46:26Z")
I had James Hardy as the first WR. Thought he’d go to the Bucs, though. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/258 "2008-04-26T22:51:44Z")
Picks coming in fast and furious at the top of the second round! 1. Dolphins **DE - Phillip Merling, Clemson** 2. Rams **WR - Donnie Avery, Houston** 3. Redskins **WR - Devin Thomas, Michigan State** 4. Chiefs **CB - Brandon Flowers, Va Tech** Have to agree with Kiper, the Chiefs are having an excellent draft so far. The Packers have to be a little pissed that Flowers just came off the board. They probably go with Tyrell Johnson or Fred Davis here, unless there’s another trade back for someone to grab Henne. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/259 "2008-04-26T22:51:59Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Rodgers-Cromartie slipped into the second round [/QUOTE] I know its easy to overlook the Cardinals, but still… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![EsotericEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@EsotericEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EsotericEnigma)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429/260 "2008-04-26T22:52:06Z")
Run on WRs going on right now. The Eagles are gonna end up with a FB… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-clock-2008-nfl-draft/446429.md?page=14)