# On the subject of attacking an armed man and getting shot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2020, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460 "2020-05-09T08:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/21 "2020-05-09T16:05:02Z")
I thought a Jacaranda was a moderately large deciduous tree with purple blossoms. Did someone name a beer after it? ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/22 "2020-05-09T16:16:05Z")
Without looking at who the OP actually was, I assumed it had to be Shodan. I assume he’ll be popping into one of these threads saying the guy deserved it somehow. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/23 "2020-05-09T16:24:53Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Hey, OP, why did that guy have a gun out when all Arbery was doing was going for a run? If you were going jogging and someone started following you in their truck and then pulled out a gun, what would you do? Assume the position? Maybe. Running in the opposite direction or trying to hide and calling 911 could also be options. Wrestling them to assert dominance? Seems pretty risky. Especially if you are a black man in the deep south, not to mention outnumbered. But let me be clear, don’t think these two are innocent or anything so put down your pitchforks. They should probably go to prison for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/24 "2020-05-09T16:29:47Z")
I wonder what would have happened had the fellow just stopped and said “look, you’ve got the wrong guy. I’m jogging. No stolen stuff on me!” I think he would’ve been shot anyway. These guys were looking for trouble, same as Zimmerman was. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/25 "2020-05-09T16:41:57Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > Maybe. Running in the opposite direction or trying to hide and calling 911 could also be options. Wrestling them to assert dominance? Seems pretty risky. Especially if you are a black man in the deep south, not to mention outnumbered. Keep just asking those questions. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/26 "2020-05-09T16:52:40Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > Wrestling them to assert dominance? Is that what you think happened? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/27 "2020-05-09T17:05:17Z")
The only people trying to “assert dominance” here, and the only people doing \*\*any \*\*“attacking”, were those two assholes. And Christ what an ate-up description of events in the OP stsatement. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/28 "2020-05-09T17:14:51Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > Maybe. Running in the opposite direction or trying to hide and calling 911 could also be options. Wrestling them to assert dominance? Seems pretty risky. Especially if you are a black man in the deep south, not to mention outnumbered. > > But let me be clear, don’t think these two are innocent or anything so put down your pitchforks. They should probably go to prison for a long time. Watch the video again. It happened too fast for that scenario. He was killed less than a second after his attempt to avoid the truck over on the passenger side. If anything he inadvertently ran into the gunman who was trying to prevent him from running down a public street. With a “posse” you detain someone. In a lynching they die. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/29 "2020-05-09T17:22:19Z")
Oh good, we’re in the pit. Eat shit you Klan motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/30 "2020-05-09T17:36:27Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’m thinking more a pit rant or a troll. > > To the Pit. Have at it. It is one of the most dishonest OP’s I have ever read and clearly trolling, I don’t know what forum it originated in but what is the point of moderators if not to action crap like that? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/31 "2020-05-09T17:56:07Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > It is one of the most dishonest OP’s I have ever read and clearly trolling, I don’t know what forum it originated in but what is the point of moderators if not to action crap like that? Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/32 "2020-05-09T17:57:46Z")
It’s first-degree murder, plain and simple. I would think the prosecutor is dancing because police report and video seems to match up well. I’d Jack McCoy the fuck out of them, saying whoever spills it first gets death penalty taken off. Life, no parole. Realistically, there should be a hate crime attached to first degree and/or felony murder. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/33 "2020-05-09T18:10:14Z")
Uhp. Evidently, [I’m completely wrong about this particular prosecutor](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-george-barnhill-olivia-pearson.html?via=taps_top). He wrote to police captain saying why they shouldn’t arrest them. > [@From article](#): > > "“It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and [William Bryan] were following, in ‘hot pursuit,’ a burglary suspect, with solid firsthand probable cause,” Barnhill wrote to a Glynn County police captain in a three-page letter. “Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun [that Travis McMichael was holding], under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.” :rolleyes:😕 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/34 "2020-05-09T18:27:40Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > OK, Zimmerman The only difference between this and Travon Martin, was that this was caught on film. Otherwise it would be two white pillars of the community who were attacked for no reason by a savage black man and had to defend themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/35 "2020-05-09T18:41:18Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The only difference between this and Travon Martin, was that this was caught on film. Otherwise it would be two white pillars of the community who were attacked for no reason by a savage black man and had to defend themselves. This is in the state that still counts as one of its major assets a park build around the vandalism of a rock to depict the ‘heroes’ of a violent insurrection to protect the institution of slavery commissioned by the brothers responsible for the resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan. [_Washington Post_: “Stone Mountain: The ugly past — and fraught future — of the biggest Confederate monument”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/19/stone-mountain-the-ugly-past-and-fraught-future-of-the-biggest-confederate-monument/) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/36 "2020-05-09T19:06:42Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > …Running in the opposite direction or trying to hide and calling 911 could also be options… “Trying to hide?” While jogging through a residential suburban area? Having trouble imagining this. Jump into a trash can and pull the lid over you? Step behind a tree and be as skinny as possible? Also, I expect whipping out a phone would have led to immediate shooting death. Running away would have led to immediate shooting death, in the back. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/37 "2020-05-09T19:15:39Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > This is in the state that still counts as one of its major assets a park build around the vandalism of a rock to depict the ‘heroes’ of a violent insurrection to protect the institution of slavery commissioned by the brothers responsible for the resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan. A bit of colossal sculptural kitsch topped only by the degradation of Mount Rushmore, SD. That Gutzon Borglum was a piece of work, wasn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/38 "2020-05-09T19:18:50Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > Maybe. Running in the opposite direction or trying to hide and calling 911 could also be options. Wrestling them to assert dominance? Seems pretty risky. Especially if you are a black man in the deep south, not to mention outnumbered. > > But let me be clear, don’t think these two are innocent or anything so put down your pitchforks. They should probably go to prison for a long time. O.KKK ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/39 "2020-05-09T19:20:30Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Uhp. Evidently, [I’m completely wrong about this particular prosecutor](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-george-barnhill-olivia-pearson.html?via=taps_top). He wrote to police captain saying why they shouldn’t arrest them. It’s funny how Stand Your Ground laws don’t seem to apply to black people. Why was Arbery’s alleged attack on McMichael not self defense? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/40 "2020-05-09T20:08:09Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The only difference between this and Travon Martin, was that this was caught on film. Otherwise it would be two white pillars of the community who were attacked for no reason by a savage black man and had to defend themselves. Maybe they can argue they were being sarcastic when they pointed the gun at Arbery. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460.md?page=3)