# On the subject of attacking an armed man and getting shot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2020, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460 "2020-05-09T08:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/41 "2020-05-09T20:47:33Z")
I would like to apologize for the OP. I was dishonest, racist and wrong. There is no excuse for it and I am sorry. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/42 "2020-05-09T21:19:29Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > I would like to apologize for the OP. I was dishonest, racist and wrong. > > There is no excuse for it and I am sorry. Since he’s admitting he was race trolling can we ban him (again, because he’s also an obvious sock)? ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/43 "2020-05-09T21:26:36Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Since he’s admitting he was race trolling can we ban him (again, because he’s also an obvious sock)? I was not being a troll, just very stupid. Which sock am I though? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/44 "2020-05-09T21:49:59Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > I was not being a troll, just very stupid. > > Which sock am I though? Who gives a shit which one, there was that racist weirdo karate guy from Houston, maybe you’re that one. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/45 "2020-05-09T22:17:59Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Who gives a shit which one, there was that racist weirdo karate guy from Houston, maybe you’re that one. My bad, when you said obvious I thought you had someone specific in mind. Guess it wasn’t that obvious after all. My account is 10 years old, though, but I guess that doesn’t count for much. Btw, I wasn’t intentionally racist. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/46 "2020-05-09T22:22:47Z")
…meanwhile, also in Georgia, [a black man is arrested for firing a rifle](https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-laker-shannon-brown-arrested-after-allegedly-firing-rifle-at-couple-after-misunderstanding-in-his-home/)(in his own home) [when a couple of people literally wandered through his front door](https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/08/shannon-brown-arrest-for-sale-home-georgia-nba-lakers/) and were roaming around his house. Brown has no criminal record (not that it matters). Nobody injured. Arrested for aggravated assault. And a dubious story from the “home invaders”: they claimed Brown fired 5-6 shots, only 1 casing was found. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/47 "2020-05-09T22:54:15Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ahmaud Arbery did exactly 0 things wrong in that video. What are you talking about?! He was a black man running through a white neighborhood! In Georgia!!! That’s just so wrong on so many levels! He should know that he’s only allowed to go jogging in black neighborhoods that are heavily policed by officers who moonlight as klansmen. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/48 "2020-05-09T22:57:32Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > I would like to apologize for the OP. I was dishonest, racist and wrong. > > There is no excuse for it and I am sorry. Yeah, that “assert dominance” crack really reveals some subconscious racism on your part if you ask me. Anyway, why don’t you report your post and ask a mod to close this thread? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/49 "2020-05-09T22:58:33Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > What are you talking about?! He was a black man running through a white neighborhood! In Georgia!!! That’s just so wrong on so many levels! > > He should know that he’s only allowed to go jogging in black neighborhoods that are heavily policed by officers who moonlight as klansmen. Hey, I already made the “joke” about running through a white neighborhood! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/50 "2020-05-09T23:05:17Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The only difference between this and Travon Martin, was that this was caught on film. Otherwise it would be two white pillars of the community who were attacked for no reason by a savage black man and had to defend themselves. What this incident shows us is that even if that incident HAD been filmed, there would have been no shortage of KKKollaborators eager to defend Zimmerman anyhow. You think these assholes are gonna auction off their murder weapon too? ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/51 "2020-05-09T23:06:56Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Yeah, that “assert dominance” crack really reveals some subconscious racism on your part if you ask me. > > Anyway, why don’t you report your post and ask a mod to close this thread? OK ---
**Author:** ![alison1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@alison1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alison1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/52 "2020-05-09T23:18:09Z")
Under what circumstances is it permissible for a police officer to shoot civilians … to kill? About 200 protesters confronted the Chicago Police this week, motivated by the events of last Saturday, when an agent opened fire on a 37-year-old man, who was killed at the scene. alison [123movies](http://keypoint.s201.xrea.com/?p=253#comment-113553) ---
**Author:** ![alison1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@alison1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alison1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/53 "2020-05-09T23:25:18Z")
very good to entertain you in this time of quarantine [123movies](http://keypoint.s201.xrea.com/?p=253#comment-113553) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/54 "2020-05-10T02:00:44Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Perhaps you can explain how Arbery, who did not instigate this conflict, who was chased down by two armed men in a vehicle while jogging, and who by all accounts had not only been responsible for the hypothetical break-ins that are not actually recorded in any law enforcement records but had no history of violent or criminal behavior, is primarily responsible this confrontation or could have taken some action to avoid it. You need to more carefully read the post to which you were replying. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/55 "2020-05-10T06:24:53Z")
Beating and killing n!gs has long been acceptable, even encouraged. It’s the Amerikkkan way. The land of the spree and the home of the slave hasn’t changed much. If they were still slaves, they’d be worth something, and assaulting n!gs would be a property offence. Wear a slave collar to show you are owned and thus off-limits to casual attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/56 "2020-05-10T13:10:38Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ahmaud Arbery did exactly 0 things wrong in that video. [A new video has been found](https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-reviewing-new-video-footage-ahmaud-arbery-case/xvSWFTbaD0k9cr80R7CTnL/amp.html), showing Arbery doing the wrong thing that made the duo stalk him. > [@](#): > > The video shows a man wearing a white shirt and shorts, who appears to be Arbery, 25, walking down Satilla Drive on that Sunday afternoon. It shows the man walk into the garage of a house under construction and then walk around back of the house. The tape indicates that man was on the construction site less than five minutes, much of the time out of view of the camera. He did not appear to take anything from the house. > > Soon after the figure in shorts and t-shirt enters the construction property, a man wearing what appears to be overalls walks near a stand of trees across the street from the site and the figure appears to be observing the construction site. > > A minute later, after a car passes, a figure that appears to be Arbery comes out of a front door of the house quickly and runs down the road in the direction of Travis McMichael’s home on Satilla Drive. > > McMichael, 34, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 64, were charged Thursday with felony murder and aggravated assault by the GBI. > > The surveillance video appears to describe what a witness reported to police on a 911 call. At 1:08 pm that Sunday, the Glynn County 911 center received report that a man was in the house under construction. > > The dispatcher responded: “And you said someone is breaking into it right now? > > “No,” the caller said. “It’s all open, it’s under construction. And he’s running right now! There he goes right now.” So, setting aside the actual killing, it looks like he really was looking to rob someone, unless you can think of an innocent reason he was seen and videoed trespassing inside a house under construction. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/57 "2020-05-10T13:16:54Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [A new video has been found](https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-reviewing-new-video-footage-ahmaud-arbery-case/xvSWFTbaD0k9cr80R7CTnL/amp.html), showing Arbery doing the wrong thing that made the duo stalk him. > > So, setting aside the actual killing, it looks like he really was looking to rob someone, unless you can think of an innocent reason he was seen and videoed trespassing inside a house under construction. Needed to pee? Was curious about the construction? The construction process is fascinating. > [@](#): > > “No,” the caller said. “It’s all open, it’s under construction… I’ve wandered through construction sites that were wide open and didn’t have fencing or restrictions around them. But I’m not black so I didn’t run when I noticed someone watching me. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/58 "2020-05-10T13:24:26Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [A new video has been found](https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-reviewing-new-video-footage-ahmaud-arbery-case/xvSWFTbaD0k9cr80R7CTnL/amp.html), showing Arbery doing the wrong thing that made the duo stalk him. > > So, setting aside the actual killing, it looks like he really was looking to rob someone, unless you can think of an innocent reason he was seen and videoed trespassing inside a house under construction. So, you can’t think of a single reason other than “looking to rob someone” that someone would walk through a house under construction? Over the past several years, my wife and I have walked through probably two hundred houses under construction. Were we casing the joints? Looking for workmen to rob? Stealing wire or tools? Do people do that while jogging miles away from their homes with no weapons on them? Was Arbery gonna carry his ill-gotten gains home in the pockets of his shorts? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/59 "2020-05-10T13:41:54Z")
> [@](#): > > So, you can’t think of a single reason other than “looking to rob someone” that someone would walk through a house under construction? Well, there are other reasons, but “I was trespassing on private property to urinate on your construction site” isn’t an especially glorious one. Like it or not, there is video proof he was witnessed commiting a crime. That isn’t going to help with the conviction of the killers. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460/60 "2020-05-10T13:54:09Z")
He was not witnessed committing anything except dying. If he was checking out a house under construction without permission so what? What’s criminal about it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-subject-of-attacking-an-armed-man-and-getting-shot/853460.md?page=4)