# On the Topic of Transgenders **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980 "2016-05-05T12:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/301 "2016-05-07T19:43:29Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Dunnow man, he’s got to stink pretty bad by now… That’s just the schnitzelgruben. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/302 "2016-05-07T19:54:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Perhaps he’s bitter because they have chosen not to have sex with _him_? Look, all I’m saying is, he meets what looks like a cute girl in a bar, he spends a lot of money buying her drinks, they go to his apartment and bam! she’s packing. What do you expect him to do? To let all the time and money go to waste? Of course not. He’s not some sort of robot, he’s got urges like any other red-blooded man. He has no other choice than to get down there and go crazy. Which is terrible, since he’s a 100%, completely and totally straight guy. Now, before you commie SJW’s start criticizing him, can you think for a second on this poor guy, constantly bullied by society into playing the skin flute through no fault of his own? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/303 "2016-05-07T19:59:40Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > Now, before you commie SJW’s start criticizing him, can you think for a second on this poor guy, constantly bullied by society into playing the skin flute through no fault of his own? Maybe he’s [this guy.](http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-10861) (NSFW Onion Article warning) ---
**Author:** ![12mgdaily](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/f08c70/32.png) [@12mgdaily](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12mgdaily)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/304 "2016-05-07T20:00:08Z")
If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. And the same holds true for women pretending to be men. I don’t care to what extents they go through in trying to achieve the illusion they are of the opposite sex. They will always be whatever sex they were born. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/305 "2016-05-07T20:01:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is EXACTLY spot on. And it’s why the proponents of these “transgender bathroom laws” are so completely full of shit. They do not give a rats ass about “protecting” anyone. At all. The ONLY thing they want is to persecute a tiny minority who they do not understand and do not want to understand. Even when given the facts about what is going on, they stick their fingers in their ears. Let me hit you all with a solid dose of cynicism. It’s not actually about bathrooms. It’s not about gender. It’s about votes. This is the same play that led to all the anti-same sex marriage stuff in 2004. I don’t recall that being a mainstream campaign in 2004 but start talking about it, get people worked up, put amendments against it on the ballot and suddenly Ohio swings against GWB and Kerry loses the presidency. It’s not surprise to me - or I’d wager anyone who spent time inside the beltway - that this is popping up NOW, during what looks to be a contentious election year. It’s really a classic attempt at creating a emotional wedge issue. Now, this appears to be (God help me) an unusual election year, so it may not be as wedgy as anticipated. But I feel certain that’s where the idea first came from. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/306 "2016-05-07T20:02:48Z")
> [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? If you’re going to invest that much time and effort into so completely transforming yourself, who am I to tell you you’re wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/307 "2016-05-07T20:12:08Z")
> [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. And the same holds true for women pretending to be men. I don’t care to what extents they go through in trying to achieve the illusion they are of the opposite sex. They will always be whatever sex they were born. If you put it like this, we certainly shouldn’t allow Furries to use “our” bathrooms. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/308 "2016-05-07T20:14:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Maybe he’s [this guy.](http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-10861) (NSFW Onion Article warning) Oooh- I knew I was stealing my joke from somewhere… ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/309 "2016-05-07T20:22:53Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Maybe he’s [this guy.](http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-10861) (NSFW Onion Article warning) Heh, I almost posted a link to that article myself when this thread was still in GD, but thought it was better to wait until it wound up in the Pit. Not only is \*\*DerekMichaels00 \*\*obsessed with transwomen and “accidentally” having sex with them or “accidentally” looking at porn featuring them, he wants them to be legally required to go into the same bathroom as him. And he’s [already practicing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19312095&postcount=197) his “She was asking for it, just look at the way she’s dressed!” defense. I’m sure any transwoman with a bit of sense would prefer to stay far, far away from this creep…which is probably a big part of why he’s so angry at them. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/310 "2016-05-07T20:39:54Z")
> [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. And the same holds true for women pretending to be men. I don’t care to what extents they go through in trying to achieve the illusion they are of the opposite sex. They will always be whatever sex they were born. Well, its a good thing that whatever is in your mind is completely irrelevant to which rest room any other person in the world chooses to use. Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/311 "2016-05-07T20:50:08Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Dunnow man, he’s got to stink pretty bad by now… Meh, no worse than your average public men’s room 😛 ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/312 "2016-05-07T21:27:11Z")
> [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. And the same holds true for women pretending to be men. I don’t care to what extents they go through in trying to achieve the illusion they are of the opposite sex. They will always be whatever sex they were born. Oh dear, another one has blundered into the thread. Did you forget to take your 12mgdaily of olanzapine? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/313 "2016-05-07T21:44:02Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Yes they did. First Google hit. [http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/](http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/) I’m about a third of the way through this (it’s long and I’m lazy!), and it’s really interesting so far. Thank you for compiling it. I didn’t doubt that transgenderism had a physiological basis, but it’s really enlightening to read about all the possible variations during fetal development that can cause it. I’ll remember this if the issue comes up with friends or co-workers in the future. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/314 "2016-05-07T21:44:50Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > If they want to dress as the opposite sex behind closed doors, and think of themselves internally as the opposite sex, I’m not advocating breaking their doors down (or persecuting them for thoughtcrime, should the technology to do so develop.) The rest of us shouldn’t be forced to live our lives as though we buy into their delusions. Actually, I think I could give a shit what anyone wants to be. If the shoe fits, wear it. Now, Jenner getting paid to do a nude photo is just too much for me to take. Who wants to see a 66 year old bag of used bones posing nude (or nearly nude)? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/315 "2016-05-07T22:07:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > … he’s actually Tone Loc. Ha! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/316 "2016-05-07T22:16:18Z")
Um, any chance women will start carrying small hand guns in their purses? Just ask’in… ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/317 "2016-05-07T22:22:32Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Um, any chance women will start carrying small hand guns in their purses? Just ask’in… Start? Both my daughters carry. Why? Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/318 "2016-05-07T22:51:11Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Not only is \*\*DerekMichaels00 \*\*obsessed with transwomen and “accidentally” having sex with them or “accidentally” looking at porn featuring them, he wants them to be legally required to go into the same bathroom as him. That’s a very good point – I didn’t even notice that before. Hmmm, _very_ telling. 😉 > [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. And the same holds true for women pretending to be men. I don’t care to what extents they go through in trying to achieve the illusion they are of the opposite sex. They will always be whatever sex they were born. [Lizardman](http://www.thelizardman.com/) (That dude is cool as fuck, btw) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/319 "2016-05-07T23:02:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Funny you should use a movie directed by two transgender women as your metaphor for why you don’t like transgenderism. > [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > One transgender woman and her biologically male brother, innit? Nope, the brother has transitioned into a woman. It’s now the Wochawski sisters, not brothers. Or maybe we’ll just call them the Wochawski Siblings to cover all parts of their existence. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Now that we’re in the Pit, I think **DerekMichaels00** is actually turned on by the idea of being hit on by a transwoman, and he’s too afraid to admit it. So he freaks out at the mere mention of transgenderism. That and he’s into trans-porn (or whatever it’s called nowadays) > > It’s okay, just admit it. You’re among friends. 😉 Yeah, it’s the old “I think he doth protest too much”. > [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. Please note that women are not a different species, women are also human beings just as men are. Arguably, we have a [few](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_Cat) [people](http://static5.uk.businessinsider.com/image/56af82a0c08a8037008be236-480/wildenstein5.jpg) who are trying to look like a different species. Not my cup of tea, but I’m not sure it’s something harmful enough to forbid. > [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Um, any chance women will start carrying small hand guns in their purses? Just ask’in… Start? Seriously, you think some women aren’t already doing this? Heck, I think my mother-in-law was armed from the age of 10 or 12 onward. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/320 "2016-05-07T23:14:17Z")
Look **DerekMichaels00** , **12mgdaily** , and all you other homophobic people out there: [gender dysphoria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria) is a real thing. It is [recognized in the DSM 5](http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf) (the [diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5)) as a condition that occurs in a small fraction of our population (between 0.055 and 0.5%). All transgender people have this disorder by definition; this is why they become transgender. They believe with all of their hearts and minds to the depths of their beings that they should be the opposite gender and feel extreme anxiety, depression, and other debilitating conditions living as their birth sex. This disorder is **NOT** a type of paraphilia (sexual perversion or deviation) and has nothing to do with sexual orientation, but is instead more closely related to [Body Dysmorphic Disorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder) or [Obsessive Compulsive Disorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder). Attempts to treat this disorder using therapy, drugs, and enforced routines are mostly unsuccessful. Instead, treatment of this disorder usually calls for supporting the preferred gender up to and including hormone therapy and re-assignment surgery. This is the treatment. This is what is recommended for somebody with this disorder. It is NOT a choice. You assholes should really cut these people some slack. They are not perverts, rapists, or any kind of sexual deviant. They are peoples whose brains are wired in a different, not well understood way. This wiring is not a choice, it is not something they can control, it doesn’t respond to therapy or drugs, and it can be completely debilitating. There but for the grace of god, you know what I mean. And since this thread was rightly moved to the pit: Fuck you, you ignorant homophobic conservative assholes. And fuck the NC legislature too. Sincerely, Happy Fun Ball, a middle aged, straight, married, middle class, white, yuppie, suburban male with 2.5 children and a dog who thinks all of you homophobe fundies and most Republicans are assholes. You guys deserve the Donald and I hope you choke on him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980.md?page=17)