# On the Topic of Transgenders **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980 "2016-05-05T12:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/321 "2016-05-07T23:21:45Z")
Man, that dog has some strong opinions. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/322 "2016-05-08T00:00:51Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Man, that dog has some strong opinions. The dog is probably [one of these](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19313698&postcount=304). This is what happens when you don’t practice [Family Values™](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/family-research-council) like the OP does, who believes that Armageddon is at hand due to moral degeneracy and the spread of liberal values. For the Lord sayeth that men who vote wrong and don’t send shekels to the Family Research Council will become men who lay with men, and thereafter with goats and dogs, and Armageddon will be nigh. Just sayin’ – this is obviously the known belief of liberal Democrats like the OP has so often assured us that he is. Apparently neither “liberal” nor “Democrat” means what I thought it did. BTW, I agree with your earlier post that this is a political ploy to galvanize bigots, much like Trump’s campaign itself. The sad part is how many acolytes to this siren call of mindless intolerance they’ve been able to summon to their support. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/323 "2016-05-08T00:48:23Z")
> [@12mgdaily](#): > > If I was born feeling that I was really a dog inside, then had plastic surgery which gave me a doggie looking snout and had hair transplanted all over my body and I started moving around on 4 legs and said “woof - woof”… would you honestly believe I was really now a dog? I wouldn’t for one minute think that. I would think this is a PERSON who wants to pretend they are a dog. Genetically, they are still a person and can never be a dog. They can only pretend. So just because a man has plastic surgery to look anatomically like a woman, dresses like a woman and uses a woman’s restroom, does not in my mind alter the fact that genetically they are men. And the same holds true for women pretending to be men. I don’t care to what extents they go through in trying to achieve the illusion they are of the opposite sex. They will always be whatever sex they were born. Tell ya what. You do the fucking MRI scans. You do the psychological analysis. You do the massive breadth of research examining “species dysphorial”. You establish that it is a thing, that it has clear psychological and phsyiological causes and consequences. _Then_ you can start comparing it to gender dysphoria. Before then, you’re just a stupid fucking bigot who wants to pretend that the stupid attack helicopter joke is in any way congruent with reality. Go away. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/324 "2016-05-08T01:06:45Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Tactic #12 - attack the science with no Q&E and no citations, just try to spread uncertainty and doubt. The last time I remember this being done on the SDMB, it was by a poster who claimed to be an “MRI technician” but in reality was some right-winger high school kid. It’s not even an argument, just a monkey throwing shit. Every “citation” you’ve posted in here has been shown to be crap, and you just keep on going. > > Just say you hate people like me and then go away. At least you’d be honest. OK. Since over 99% of phenotypical men have a Y-Chromosome, can you and other trans-ism proponents _show me_ that 99%+ of transgenders have _the same_ brain deviation from “cis” gender people? > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Now that we’re in the Pit, I think **DerekMichaels00** is actually turned on by the idea of being hit on by a transwoman, and he’s too afraid to admit it. So he freaks out at the mere mention of transgenderism. That and he’s into trans-porn (or whatever it’s called nowadays) > > It’s okay, just admit it. You’re among friends. 😉 go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/325 "2016-05-08T01:11:40Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Just sayin’ – this is obviously the known belief of liberal Democrats like the OP has so often assured us that he is. Apparently neither “liberal” nor “Democrat” means what I thought it did. > > BTW, I agree with your earlier post that this is a political ploy to galvanize bigots, much like Trump’s campaign itself. The sad part is how many acolytes to this siren call of mindless intolerance they’ve been able to summon to their support. As I’ve said before, while most liberals are Democrats and most conservatives Republicans, there are still (but not many) conservative Dems and liberal Repubs. I never said I was a progressive. I guess I’m a conservative Democrat. I just am sad that non-progressive Dems, who are with Dems on more things than Republicans, are being purged, just like the Tea Party did to liberal Repubs in the GOP. I’m pro-choice 1000% because if I accidentally impregnate a girl, given that I’m not ready yet to have kids nor economically able, I don’t wanna be financial ruined. I’m pro-environment; legit science has shown global warming and pollution to threaten us all. I’m for LGB rights, since the penis cannot be moved like a finger as in 100% voluntarily and as straight men’s penises get hard to women, it follows gay mens’ get hard to men, and that can be directly observed in a lab setting. I don’t believe in tax cuts for the rich; they have enough money. Does my view on transes, Islamic extremism, and America’s role in the world negate all of those views and turn me into a conservative? Only for progressive McCarthyists. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/326 "2016-05-08T01:13:07Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. What evidence do you have that trans people have trouble dating? So far, nearly everything you’ve said about trans people has been not only hateful and bigoted, but factually false as well. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/327 "2016-05-08T01:18:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What evidence do you have that trans people have trouble dating? So far, nearly everything you’ve said about trans people has been not only hateful and bigoted, but factually false as well. [http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/chaz-bono-find-love-repels-women-article-1.2400967](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/chaz-bono-find-love-repels-women-article-1.2400967) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/328 "2016-05-08T01:22:32Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > As I’ve said before, while most liberals are Democrats and most conservatives Republicans, there are still (but not many) conservative Dems and liberal Repubs. I never said I was a progressive. I guess I’m a conservative Democrat. I just am sad that non-progressive Dems, who are with Dems on more things than Republicans, are being purged, just like the Tea Party did to liberal Repubs in the GOP. I’m pro-choice 1000% because if I accidentally impregnate a girl, given that I’m not ready yet to have kids nor economically able, I don’t wanna be financial ruined. I’m pro-environment; legit science has shown global warming and pollution to threaten us all. I’m for LGB rights, since the penis cannot be moved like a finger as in 100% voluntarily and as straight men’s penises get hard to women, it follows gay mens’ get hard to men, and that can be directly observed in a lab setting. I don’t believe in tax cuts for the rich; they have enough money. Does my view on transes, Islamic extremism, and America’s role in the world negate all of those views and turn me into a conservative? Only for progressive McCarthyists. Maybe not a conservative, but definitely an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/329 "2016-05-08T01:25:06Z")
Wow, one person represents everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/330 "2016-05-08T01:25:07Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. OOooh, looks like I hit a nerve! 😃 (BTW, I think it’s the other way around – it’s the “fat girls” getting stuck with you.) (And I don’t think you have to worry about the “extreme rape-culture feminists”. Most of them actually feel the same way you do about transwomen, strangely enough.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/331 "2016-05-08T01:27:55Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > [http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/chaz-bono-find-love-repels-women-article-1.2400967](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/chaz-bono-find-love-repels-women-article-1.2400967) Are you serious? Do you seriously believe that a tabloid story about a single person tells us anything about all trans people? You’ve said a lot of hateful things in this thread, but this is perhaps the stupidest thing you’ve said. It shows a complete lack of a rational train of thought. Whatever your beliefs about trans people, they’re not based on evidence or reason. Considering what you’ve said about trans people, they seem to be based entirely on hatred and disgust, possibly tinged with some unspoken secret attraction. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/332 "2016-05-08T01:29:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. I feel sorry for all the fat girls who have to put up with a loser like you thinking you’re too good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/333 "2016-05-08T01:35:08Z")
Oh, I’m sure most of them get a good laugh out of it. But then, we all know what he’s REALLY attracted to. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/334 "2016-05-08T01:37:37Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > OK. Since over 99% of phenotypical men have a Y-Chromosome, can you and other trans-ism proponents _show me_ that 99%+ of transgenders have _the same_ brain deviation from “cis” gender people? > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. Gee what a fucking charming fellow. I can’t imagine why you’d have a hard time getting dates. Has nothing to do with your height, though. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/335 "2016-05-08T01:43:04Z")
Oh, in the Pit now… good… > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. So there you finally came out with it. Let me ask: WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO FORCE YOU TO DATE FAT CHICKS OR TRANSWOMEN??? That is so dumb it’s not even wrong but it reveals you are not just transphobic and homophobic but in general are a fucking putz who thinks he’s\* entitled \*to “get with hot thin ones” and are butthurt because you’ve struck out with them, and claim there’s some mythological feminist entity forcing you to lower your standards as punishment and that somehow they will MAKE you date a trans woman. You know what? The hot girls do not want someone like _ **you** _. We seem to agree on that. But it’s not because you’re short, it’s because you are a fucking putz. The problem is not the hot thin girls or the feminists or the gays or the trans or how you define trans or cis, the problem is _ **you** _ are so hung up on not getting the sex you want that you fear that in the desperation you’ll unwittingly pick up the wrong configuration of human. The answer to the girls-don’t-like-me conundrum is: (1) don’t be desperate; (2) make yourself someone that worthwhile women will like. \*\*\*There are hot babes who like short dumpy guys, if the guys are witty and intelligent, generous human beings or confident and adventurous. There are also perfectly attractive girl-next-door non-supermodels who like short dumpy guys, if the guys are witty and intelligent, generous human beings or confident and adventurous. \*\*\* At the very least, stop insisting on hitting on the ones who like tall guys! Get serious help before you head down the Elliot Rodgers path. NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO DATE FAT GIRLS AND NOBODY WANTS TO FORCE YOU TO DATE TRANSGIRLS. You have noone to blame for your involuntary celibacy but yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/336 "2016-05-08T01:45:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. It’s certainly interesting to watch you invent excuses for having sex with transgender women even though you keep telling us you’re not attracted to them. I can tell you right now, no one is ever going to believe the big bad feminists made you do it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/337 "2016-05-08T01:46:12Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > go fuck yourself. [Moderating] Telling other posters to fuck themselves is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/338 "2016-05-08T01:49:29Z")
It’s not that you are short. It’s that you are an ass. Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/339 "2016-05-08T01:53:56Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > OK. Since over 99% of phenotypical men have a Y-Chromosome, can you and other trans-ism proponents _show me_ that 99%+ of transgenders have _the same_ brain deviation from “cis” gender people? > > go fuck yourself. I already said that one of my problems with transgenders being mainstreamed is that short men, like me, already start low on the social totem pole and get stuck with fat girls and are expected to lower than standards to them in the likely event they can’t get with hot thin ones because fat girls are more desperate than hot ones. Since transpeople have trouble dating, for obvious reasons, I don’t want them to become the new fat girls and the extreme “rape-culture” feminists facilitate because this will further punish oppressive men, especially “oppressive white men” like myself. Then again, maybe all the fat girls would be better off dating transmen, giving you a better shot at all the small-nosed sorority chicks. Win-win! Except for the sorority chicks, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980/340 "2016-05-08T02:06:08Z")
I’m way late to this phase of the party, but couldn’t resist pointing out this additional evidence of idiocy on the part of **DerekMichaels00** : > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Race is immutable and cannot be hidden or changed. In addition to his transphobia and his massive insecurity about needing to obtain an officially accredited “hot girl” instead of just basing his dating choices on mutual attraction, **DerekMichaels00** is apparently also clueless about the concept of racial “passing”. Then there’s this gem: > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > 'm pro-choice 1000% because if I accidentally impregnate a girl, given that I’m not ready yet to have kids nor economically able, I don’t wanna be financial ruined. Dude, wanting a woman you accidentally impregnate to be able to obtain an abortion merely because _you_ don’t want to be responsible for a child isn’t actually being “pro-choice”, it’s just being a self-centered asshole. Come back and tell us that you support a woman’s right to choose an abortion but you **also** recognize that a woman has a right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, even if the man who impregnated her doesn’t want her to, and **then** we’ll believe you’re pro-choice. If your support for abortion rights is merely about maximizing **your** ability to avoid fatherhood (just as your opposition to transgender rights is about minimizing **your** risk of inadvertently being attracted to a transgender person), that doesn’t actually count as a liberal position. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-topic-of-transgenders/753980.md?page=18)