# On Wisconsin! Sex with dead people legal, but don't mess with deer! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 8, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783 "2008-01-08T22:26:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/1 "2008-01-08T22:26:36Z")
But that may change… Soon BOTH might be legal, depending on the ruling of an appellate court. [James Hathaway](http://www.superiortelegram.com/articles/index.cfm?id=24557§ion=News) spent some time in prison for killing a horse with intention of having sex with it. I’m not sure whether his intent was a legal issue or not, but it was part of his confesstion so it’s not terribly surprising it was picked up by the press. Shortly after his release he saw a dead deer in a ditch and was apparently overwhelmed by passion. He was convicted of a misdemeanor crime, and his probation for the earlier killing has been revoked. He is appealing his conviction because his lawyer, Jefren Olsen, argues, > [@](#): > > Wisconsin’s prohibition against sexual gratification with an animal does not apply to an animal carcass. The term “animal” is not defined in the criminal code or by a court decision. Therefore, Olsen states, the court should consult a dictionary to determine the word’s common meaning. Dictionaries consistently define an animal as a “living being.” > > Ruling that an animal carcass is an animal, he said, “leads to the absurd and unreasonable result that the statutes criminalize sexual activity with a dead animal but not sexual activity with a dead person.” And he know’s it’s not illegal to have sex with a human corpse because that was decided just 6 months ago. Last year I did a thread about the [three idiots who dug up a corpse for sex](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=387006&page=1&pp=50) in Grant county. In July an appeals court upheld a lower court ruling that [Wisconsin has no law against necrophilia](http://www.northcountrygazette.org/news/2007/07/27/corpse_sex/). For the record, the prosecutors argue > [@](#): > > …the statute’s wording specifies animal parts that it is illegal to have sexual gratification with. Those parts can still be found on a dead animal… Gotta love the law! ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/2 "2008-01-08T22:39:29Z")
Sometimes cheese just isn’t enough, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/3 "2008-01-08T22:46:35Z")
It’s those long nights in February… ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/4 "2008-01-08T23:32:51Z")
I’ll keep my eye out for this guy. Then wear gloves if I need to interact with him. Og knows I don’t want to get Larva Migrans. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/5 "2008-01-08T23:34:11Z")
I am now having disturbingly erotic thoughts about Jeffrey Dahmer and Haley Joel Osment. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/6 "2008-01-09T00:32:49Z")
On the one hand, is there a qualitative difference between getting your jollies with an animal carcass and schtupping several pounds of raw hamburger? On the other hand, EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/7 "2008-01-09T01:38:35Z")
I saw the thread title and thought, “What if it’s a dead deer?” Og help us all, that question seems to be answered in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/8 "2008-01-09T01:42:02Z")
> [@Boyo Jim](#): > > Shortly after his release he saw a **dead deer in a ditch** and was apparently overwhelmed by passion. Apropros of nothing, but that was some delicious alliteration. ---
**Author:** ![Rascal\_s\_Mom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a698b9/32.png) [@Rascal\_s\_Mom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rascal_s_Mom)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/9 "2008-01-09T01:52:06Z")
Jim, Wasn’t there a second article in the same section about some other dude doing the same thing? Maybe not. I could go dig the paper out of recycling, but nah… My eye caught that headline as I was paging through and I thought, OMG I must have read that wrong. No. ewwwwwwwww ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww ewwwwwwwwwwwwww ---
**Author:** ![Rascal\_s\_Mom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a698b9/32.png) [@Rascal\_s\_Mom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rascal_s_Mom)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/10 "2008-01-09T01:58:57Z")
I guess I was thinking of the article entitled “Man Accused of Stealing from Piggy Bank.” Jim, can you link to that? It’s on page 3 of the Local section. People, this is for entertainment value; doesn’t register on the ewwwwww scale. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/11 "2008-01-09T04:59:10Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Apropros of nothing, but that was some delicious alliteration. [/QUOTE] And the scary part is that for him to have been caught in the act someone had to have seen the dude in the dead deer’s ditch. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/12 "2008-01-09T05:53:22Z")
Dead deer in the ditch, traaa l’la l’la! There’s a dead deer in the ditch… traaaaa la la la la la… Dead deer in the ditch, traaa l’la l’la! It looks like a sugar in a plum… La! La! (Sung to the tune of Boney M’s [Brown Girl in the Rain](http://www.myvideo.de/watch/33963) (link to German video-hosting site–watch for popups)) ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/13 "2008-01-09T06:14:23Z")
Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of stories lately about really weird perverse things in Wisconsin? What’s in the water there? It certainly can’t be the beer and cheese because everyone knows that’s good for you. Anyway, it makes me glad I moved away from there when I was one. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/14 "2008-01-09T12:20:22Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of stories lately about really weird perverse things in Wisconsin?.. [/QUOTE] I agree, and I’ve been sharing many of them here. I moved here in 1992, and have found it vastly entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/15 "2008-01-09T14:13:09Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of stories lately about really weird perverse things in Wisconsin? What’s in the water there? It certainly can’t be the beer and cheese because everyone knows that’s good for you. Anyway, it makes me glad I moved away from there when I was one. [/QUOTE] It’s the Wisconsin Death Trip, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/16 "2008-01-09T14:51:25Z")
[QUOTE=Thudlow Boink] On the one hand, is there a qualitative difference between getting your jollies with an animal carcass and schtupping several pounds of raw hamburger? [/QUOTE] I have no knowledge of any such schtupping, nor if I had any knowledge would I be inclined to discuss it with you. Or, I could schtupp you but first I’d have to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/17 "2008-01-10T22:01:08Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Apropros of nothing, but that was some delicious alliteration. [/QUOTE] Thank you, and your observation has inspired another Bulwer-Lytton entry of mine: Deedee doesn’t do diddley during daylight; during dusk, Deedee duly, dully doodles deer dropping drawings. ---
**Author:** ![Ignatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/3be4f8/32.png) [@Ignatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ignatz)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/18 "2008-01-10T23:16:16Z")
The James Hathaway link is cut so I needs to know, (and speaking of alliteration), did he do a doe or fu\*k a buck? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/19 "2008-01-11T00:08:05Z")
The link still works for me, but the article doesn’t specify sex or orifice. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783/20 "2008-01-11T04:11:17Z")
Oh, Wisconsin. Always making sure there is someone substantially weirder than us on the North American continent. Bless. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-wisconsin-sex-with-dead-people-legal-but-dont-mess-with-deer/432783.md?page=2)