# Once and for all: **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 6, 2005, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012 "2005-04-06T08:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/1 "2005-04-06T08:18:13Z")
(Note: This is not directed towards anyone on this board. Just…the world.) —Those were not aliens at the end of **A.I.**. They were super-advanced robots. —The line is “Put. The bunny. Back. In. The box.” —Lupe Velez did not die with her head in a toilet. —Helga was not Andrew Wyeth’s maid. She was a nurse who looked after one of his friends. As for whether or not they had an affair, neither of them is talking, so you shouldn’t either. Anyone else have arts/entertainment myths they want to dispel? ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/2 "2005-04-06T08:20:37Z")
Oh, and while this is not exactly a myth: —Stop blaming Roger Ebert for **Beyond the Valley of the Dolls**! All he did was write the first draft of the script. He’s not to be held responsible for the direction, the acting, the soundtrack, the costumes, the lighting, the editing, and maybe not even the dialogue; who knows how many rewrites there were. ---
**Author:** ![bclouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@bclouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bclouse)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/3 "2005-04-06T08:30:02Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Oh, and while this is not exactly a myth: > > —Stop blaming Roger Ebert for **Beyond the Valley of the Dolls**! All he did was write the first draft of the script. He’s not to be held responsible for the direction, the acting, the soundtrack, the costumes, the lighting, the editing, and maybe not even the dialogue; who knows how many rewrites there were. Who’s _blaming_ him? It’s the only worthwhile thing he’s ever done. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/4 "2005-04-06T08:57:55Z")
“I don’t think we’re in Kansas any more” is WRONG. The line is: “I have a feeling we’re not in Kansas any more.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/5 "2005-04-06T09:28:28Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > —Those were not aliens at the end of **A.I.**. They were super-advanced robots. I read that later, but I still don’t understand how the fuck we were supposed to know. Score another one for Spielberg. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/6 "2005-04-06T15:03:46Z")
> [@bclouse](#): > > Who’s _blaming_ him? It’s the only worthwhile thing he’s ever done. This is one of those moments where I’m happy I know the phrase “Taste the black sperm of my vengeance!!” What? And the one that I was the _only person_ in the theater to understand–the important part of the ending of _The Blair Witch Project_ is the guy standing in the corner. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/7 "2005-04-06T15:09:39Z")
Hannibal Lector never said “Hello, Clarice.” ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/8 "2005-04-06T15:11:40Z")
Oh, and Frankenstein is the _man_, not the monster. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/9 "2005-04-06T15:20:16Z")
The line isn’t “You’re going out a youngster, but you’re coming back a star!” It’s “You’re going out a youngster, but you’ve _got to_ come back a star!” It’s not an acknowledgment of Ruby Keeler’s talent – it’s telling her that everyone is depending on her. Bogart never said “Play it again, Sam.” Cary Grant never said “Judy, Judy, Judy” in any movie. However, in **Only Angels Have Wings** , his ex-girlfriend was named “Judy,” and he said her name more than once. He also may have said it in a TV appearance with Judy Garland. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/10 "2005-04-06T15:22:55Z")
Mama Cass Elliot died of a heart attack, not of choking on a ham sandwich. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/11 "2005-04-06T15:32:17Z")
> [@Wendell Wagner](#): > > Mama Cass Elliot died of a heart attack, not of choking on a ham sandwich. But in the “strange, but (apparently) true” department, she was hit in the head by a chunk of lead pipe when the group was loafing in St. Thomas, VI (before they were famous); she claimed that thereafter she could hit the high notes she couldn’t hit before. Unless, of course, this has been debunked in some fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Bongo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a9adbd/32.png) [@Winston\_Bongo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Bongo)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/12 "2005-04-06T15:36:25Z")
The title of the original Star Wars movie was _Star Wars_. Not _Episode IV_, not \*A New \* Hope. Just _Star Wars_. The title of the original Indiana Jones movie was _Raiders of the Lost Ark_. Not _Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark_. And, because someone has to mention it sooner or later and we might as well get it over with: Greedo didn’t shoot first. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/13 "2005-04-06T15:55:11Z")
> [@Winston Bongo](#): > > The title of the original Indiana Jones movie was _Raiders of the Lost Ark_. Not _Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark_. And as long as you mentioned that, I would like to add that _Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom_ is a _prequel_ to _Raiders_, not a sequel. ---
**Author:** ![HeadNinja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b4bc9f/32.png) [@HeadNinja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeadNinja)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/14 "2005-04-06T16:09:41Z")
Jimmy Hendrix did not want to “Kiss this guy” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/15 "2005-04-06T16:37:50Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > —The line is “Put. The bunny. Back. In. The box.” > > —Lupe Velez did not die with her head in a toilet. I’m not familiar with these references. Anyone care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/16 "2005-04-06T16:41:54Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > I’m not familiar with these references. Anyone care to explain? Thanks, I was going to ask the same thing… I feel better now. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/17 "2005-04-06T16:47:25Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > And as long as you mentioned that, I would like to add that _Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom_ is a _prequel_ to _Raiders_, not a sequel. Wait…really? I hate Temple of Doom so much, I guess I never paid attention. Is there anything obvious that would make that apparent that I might remember? ---
**Author:** ![Catsmeow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Catsmeow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catsmeow)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/18 "2005-04-06T16:52:21Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Those were not aliens at the end of **A.I.**. They were super-advanced robots. You mean there was an _END_ to **A.I.**??? Well, color me amazed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/19 "2005-04-06T16:53:46Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Wait…really? I hate Temple of Doom so much, I guess I never paid attention. Is there anything obvious that would make that apparent that I might remember? The date given at the beginning of _Raiders_ is 1936, while the caption at the start of _Temple of Doom_ reads “Shanghai, 1935.” ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012/20 "2005-04-06T17:06:24Z")
I missed the bunny reference myself, but [Lupe Velez](http://imdb.com/name/nm0892473/), aka The Mexican Spitfire, was a star of the 40s. She killed herself with an overdose of Secanol, but He Who Shall Not Be Named Lest The Wrath of **Eve** Be Invoked, in his book Hollywood Babylon, popularized the falsehood that she awoke from her pill-induced stupor because of a heavy Mexican dinner she’d eaten prior to taking the pills, staggered to the bathroom to vomit and drowned in the toilet. Didn’t happen, although it did give birth to the funny Simpsons line “and that’s the hardware store where Lupe Velez bought the toilet she drowned in.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-and-for-all/298012.md?page=2)