# Once Upon A Time \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574 "2011-10-23T21:19:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/421 "2012-02-25T01:30:13Z")
> [@simster](#): > > When did Kathryn leave? She wasn’t living in the city when her husband was in the coma. I always thought that she was outside the city and the mayor went and got her to bring her back into the city ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/422 "2012-02-25T01:54:08Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > She wasn’t living in the city when her husband was in the coma. I always thought that she was outside the city and the mayor went and got her to bring her back into the city I’d have to go re-watch, but I do not believe this to be accurate - if my memory is accurate, Kathryn said she thought that Richard left town, and thats why she wasn’t looking for him - they had split up (or were in the process) at the time. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/423 "2012-02-26T22:04:01Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > She wasn’t living in the city when her husband was in the coma. I always thought that she was outside the city and the mayor went and got her to bring her back into the city She was living in the city, she had a house and everything. She just wasn’t part of the story until coma boy started waking up. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/424 "2012-02-26T22:45:45Z")
Yeah, and that kinda bugged me back when she was introduced. Storybrooke isn’t a very big place, so I would imagine that both Kathryn and David should have been known as a couple by at least a few other people in town. And yet David was in the hospital as a John Doe? That’s hard to believe. And I can’t buy that there were no attempts to find out who he was. And if there were, I can’t believe that Kathryn wouldn’t have seen some report or poster about the unidentified man in a coma who happens to look a lot like her estranged husband. I guess you can explain it by the fact that their memories and backstory in our world isn’t “real” and so these circumstances (David in the hospital in a coma, Kathryn unaware of it) were created by the spell that created Storybrooke. We still don’t know how time passes in Storybrooke. Emma is 28, but the town residents don’t seem to have memories that go that far back. Henry is, what, 10? That’s still a long time to account for. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/425 "2012-02-27T01:04:46Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Yeah, and that kinda bugged me back when she was introduced. Storybrooke isn’t a very big place, so I would imagine that both Kathryn and David should have been known as a couple by at least a few other people in town. And yet David was in the hospital as a John Doe? That’s hard to believe. And I can’t buy that there were no attempts to find out who he was. And if there were, I can’t believe that Kathryn wouldn’t have seen some report or poster about the unidentified man in a coma who happens to look a lot like her estranged husband. > > I guess you can explain it by the fact that their memories and backstory in our world isn’t “real” and so these circumstances (David in the hospital in a coma, Kathryn unaware of it) were created by the spell that created Storybrooke. We still don’t know how time passes in Storybrooke. Emma is 28, but the town residents don’t seem to have memories that go that far back. Henry is, what, 10? That’s still a long time to account for. My current theory is that StoryBrooke has only been in existence for a few weeks - From the point that Mary Margeret gave the book to Henry. Mr. Gold was very explicit in episode 2 where he states “when you had me get you a boy” - not a child, not a baby, but a ‘boy’ - In the episode where Richard ‘waches the windmill’ its quite obvious that he had his memories ‘planted’. Time only really started moving again when Emma decided to stay, and that’s when the Queen had to start making her own moves as well - perhaps reminding Kathryn about Richard - otherwise, her story is “he left” and she didn’t go looking - remember, part of the curse is “no hope” either. So, it’s been at a ‘standstill’ - not so much meaning that time stood still, but in the “nothing ever happens” category - but has only really been there for a few weeks. Emma has been in our existance for 28 years, Henry has been alive for 10- but only in the queen’s company for a very short period and thanks to Mr. Gold - only seems to know of that existence - but he is an outsider, so he ‘knows’ something is not quite right. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/426 "2012-02-27T15:10:17Z")
I think it was established that Henry was adopted as an infant. Henry has certainly never indicated otherwise, so I doubt that Regina is lying about that. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/427 "2012-03-01T21:23:01Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I thought he probably changed some pages. That was my guess. If he’s a “bad” guy he might have changed something to make a story goes more along the way the queen wants. I will be very upset if Emma and Henry don’t notice the fact that there aren’t pages torn out and if Henry doesn’t notice changes to it. I haven’t read _The Hobbit_ in a year or two but I bet I could recognize if someone added a page or two. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/428 "2012-03-01T22:33:47Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > I think it was established that Henry was adopted as an infant. Henry has certainly never indicated otherwise, so I doubt that Regina is lying about that. The only quote we have is Regina stating that she ‘changed every diaper’ as a argument to Emma - but we have the equally valid statement “procure you a boy” from Gold. Other than that - we have no clear idea of what happened to henry post birth to the time he showed up on Emma’s doorstop. ---
**Author:** ![akrako1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@akrako1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akrako1)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/429 "2012-03-01T22:38:38Z")
the clocks didn’t move until Emma showed up. I’d guess that means that time didn’t actually progress in Storybrook, nobody got older, created new memories, etc. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/430 "2012-03-01T22:43:21Z")
> [@akrako1](#): > > the clocks didn’t move until Emma showed up. I’d guess that means that time didn’t actually progress in Storybrook, nobody got older, created new memories, etc. exactly - ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/431 "2012-03-02T00:27:24Z")
> [@simster](#): > > The only quote we have is Regina stating that she ‘changed every diaper’ as a argument to Emma - but we have the equally valid statement “procure you a boy” from Gold. Even when he was in diapers, Henry was still a boy. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/432 "2012-03-02T04:04:31Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Even when he was in diapers, Henry was still a boy. Fair enough - but the tone of the voice and statement did not make me think infant - and can you _actually_ see EQ changing diapers? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/433 "2012-03-03T00:10:12Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Fair enough - but the tone of the voice and statement did not make me think infant - and can you _actually_ see EQ changing diapers? Maybe dirty diapers are an ingredient in one of her evil spells. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/434 "2012-03-05T04:14:19Z")
This show continues to impress - ‘Grumpy’ indeed. When are we going to see the EQ/Mayor atleast have some fallout from some of her maneuvers = I realize that we can’t break the curse/defeat her quickly (or the show would be over) but some of that aspect might get a bit old. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/435 "2012-03-05T04:45:59Z")
I enjoyed this episode for the most part. I find the fairy tale world to be a bit of a sharp contrast with Storybrooke when they get too cutsie with CGI fairies. But I do like the way they twist and intertwine the various stories into one. I liked Grumpy’s secret origin, and the way his counterpart got the candles sold. I didn’t like that our heroine’s supposed lie detecting super power somehow doesn’t work on the Mirror reporter guy. Or that she didn’t go through the due diligence to get the real phone records. It was great to see Amy Acker. They might as well have made her boss Kali Rocha. I thought the episode summary said she was arresting Snow White so I was surprised to see her take in Prince Charming instead. It was also nice to have a reference to the miners again. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/436 "2012-03-05T05:50:34Z")
I really enjoyed this episode. I agree that the fairy stuff in HEAL was a bit too cutesy–especially at the beginning. But Amy Acker in a fairy costume was SO worth it! ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/437 "2012-03-05T06:45:08Z")
Oh, and it looks like next week we finally get Red’s story! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/438 "2012-03-05T11:00:01Z")
I’m wondering two things - 1.) exactly where was Frederick going? kathryn’s car was at the sign (end of the road) - why on earth was Frederick driving in that direction to begin with ? (other than the true love mantra) - Kathryn states earlyier in the episode that she’s always had this “irrational fear of leaving storybrooke”. 2.) Exactly how did Henry get to a bus station to get to Boston? I don’t believe there is a bus station anywhere in Storybrooke. ---
**Author:** ![Kasper1014](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c89c15/32.png) [@Kasper1014](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kasper1014)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/439 "2012-03-05T12:16:00Z")
I was wondering why Emma’s lie detector didn’t work on the “reporter guy” either…then my son reminded me that he was the genie, so maybe he’s immune to her lie detector. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/440 "2012-03-05T12:18:38Z")
> [@Kasper1014](#): > > I was wondering why Emma’s lie detector didn’t work on the “reporter guy” either…then my son reminded me that he was the genie, so maybe he’s immune to her lie detector. Well - he’s not lieing about what the phone records show and she hasn’t asked him where he got them or where his loyaltys lie. So, while he may be being dishonest - he is not ‘lieing’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574.md?page=23)