# Once Upon A Time \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574 "2011-10-23T21:19:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/601 "2012-05-07T15:28:11Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Almost as dumb as Emma, letting Henry eat that turnover. The dumb one in this scenario was, I think, Regina. Without in fact _watching_ Emma eat the turnover, she could have no guarantee her plan would work. Emma distrusts her mightily; I’d’ve put fair odds on her simply throwing the turnover out. Or note how Emma lives with Mary Margaret — what if she’d taken a bite out of it first, possibly ending the curse? Too many variables left unknown. Going over to gloat in front of Gold seemed (and turned out to be) premature. Thematically, Henry eating the turnover seemed just a wee bit too obvious from the moment Regina started baking it. But I think it works as part of her continued payment. Gold warned her. Curious where this’ll go … the detective work seems pretty cut and dried: Regina provided the turnover and clearly had motive. But I suppose they won’t find any known poisons. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/602 "2012-05-07T15:33:39Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > where do you think they are going with season 2, Shakes? just curious, I like speculations. > > anyway, was Snow dumb or what, making that deal with Regina without any guarantees that Charming would be free as well as alive? Almost as dumb as Emma, letting Henry eat that turnover. > > I want to see Gold get the upper hand over Regina. Was glad to see the Hatter again - though he seems selfish, like a lot of the characters - only concerned with his & his daughter’s happiness. > > Still liking this show a lot - lovely talented cast, and I have always loved fairy tales ever since discovering Andrew Lang’s series of fairy tale collections as a wee tyke. Two thoughts. It’s gonna be about saving Henry. Or The Evil witch vs Gold only now with magic alive and well in Storybrook. Or both. I’m also liking Ms. Snow growing a backbone. Too cool. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/603 "2012-05-07T15:41:49Z")
Upon reflection, Randroid, Regina was beyond dumb not to make sure Emma actually ate the poisoned turnover. I missed some episodes - does Gold know about the girl he loved being in the asylum? Surely they will come back to that and have that as a strong motivation for him fighting Regina next season. Regina has these bad dreams - could she possibly have guilt or remorse? ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/604 "2012-05-07T15:44:30Z")
When Emma was offered the apple tart, she took a hard, slow look at it, and a hard slow look at Regina. Good! I thought - she knows it’s poisoned! Imagine my surprise when I saw it sitting there in her kitchen - instead of seeing Emma stuffing it in the nearest trash can. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/605 "2012-05-07T15:55:15Z")
Is this show on Hulu? I only saw the last 10 minutes or so and it turns out that I didn’t have a timer set in my DVR. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/606 "2012-05-07T16:00:43Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Is this show on Hulu? I only saw the last 10 minutes or so and it turns out that I didn’t have a timer set in my DVR. It’s on [abc.com](http://abc.com). Free, but you have some commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/607 "2012-05-07T16:13:22Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > It’s on [abc.com](http://abc.com). Free, but you have some commercials. Meh, commercials are fine. I wonder if it will be like on Hulu. I have Firefox was Adblock, and when I watch something off of Hulu I get a message saying how there’s something wrong and the ad can’t be displayed, and instructions on how to fix this. Yeah, I’ll get working on that right away. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/608 "2012-05-07T19:04:16Z")
So, the army of faeries helped out with sleeping powder on the guards. But don’t they (or at least some of them) have magic comparable to that of the Queen or Rumplestiltskin? Couldn’t they have done something a little more effective? > [@Nobody](#): > > Meh, commercials are fine. I wonder if it will be like on Hulu. You might’ve found out already just by checking, but yeah — the most recent five episodes are free to watch on Hulu. That’s where I watch the show (and any other current TV shows I care to see). Hulu only kinda sucks, compared to watching shows on individual networks’ websites, which really sucks. > [@well he's back](#): > > Regina has these bad dreams - could she possibly have guilt or remorse? She does seem to exhibit at least some amount of possibly latent guilt. The townspeople in her nightmare are pretty clear about her _deserving_ punishment, and surely those feelings will develop even further when she finds out about poisoning Henry. ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/609 "2012-05-07T20:15:54Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > She does seem to exhibit at least some amount of possibly latent guilt. The townspeople in her nightmare are pretty clear about her _deserving_ punishment, and surely those feelings will develop even further when she finds out about poisoning Henry. I didn’t really see any guilt in her dream. The dream basically represented her fear of being caught; for the first time in a long time, she thinks she can be defeated. IMO what was interesting in the dream is the ritual of Emma killing Regina. Does this mean Emma has to kill Regina in real life (and, perhaps, with a particular sword, much like Rumplestiltskin’s) in order to break the curse? ---
**Author:** ![Amasia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Amasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amasia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/610 "2012-05-08T03:51:36Z")
I’m not sure if I missed this in an earlier episode, but if Regina and Mr. Gold know so much about the curse and that it was “designed” so that Emma’s death would break it, do they both know that Emma is Snow White’s daughter? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/611 "2012-05-08T04:53:20Z")
It seems like it. And earlier when discussing how magic could exist in a land with no magic, I think the talk between Gold and Regina explained it. They, or at least she, brought some magic to the present, but once used it couldn’t be replaced, unlike where they came from where after you cast a spell your magic gets replenished. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/612 "2012-05-08T10:27:02Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > It seems like it. > > And earlier when discussing how magic could exist in a land with no magic, I think the talk between Gold and Regina explained it. They, or at least she, brought some magic to the present, but once used it couldn’t be replaced, unlike where they came from where after you cast a spell your magic gets replenished. Ah, they’re stuck skipping their untap phase. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/613 "2012-05-08T11:22:32Z")
Magic the Gathering reference? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/614 "2012-05-08T15:30:51Z")
> [@Amasia](#): > > I’m not sure if I missed this in an earlier episode, but if Regina and Mr. Gold know so much about the curse and that it was “designed” so that Emma’s death would break it, do they both know that Emma is Snow White’s daughter? Gold appears to have known from first meeting that Emma is the daughter of Snow and Charming. Until this week, when Regina referred to Emma as “the savior”, it was not perfectly clear that Regina knew that Emma was the grown-up version of the baby who was said to instrumental in breaking the curse. It’s been (IMHO) the weakest part of the show that Regina seemed to not recognize Emma and the changes in the town that appeared when Emma arrived. In some ways last night’s episode made Regina’s stupidity worse, because it was also made clear that Regina knew it had been 28 years since the curse/Emma’s birthday and the prophecy as she knew it was only that Snow’s baby would come back on it’s 28th birthday to break the curse. ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/615 "2012-05-08T21:40:18Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > Gold appears to have known from first meeting that Emma is the daughter of Snow and Charming. Until this week, when Regina referred to Emma as “the savior”, it was not perfectly clear that Regina knew that Emma was the grown-up version of the baby who was said to instrumental in breaking the curse. It’s been (IMHO) the weakest part of the show that Regina seemed to not recognize Emma and the changes in the town that appeared when Emma arrived. In some ways last night’s episode made Regina’s stupidity worse, because it was also made clear that Regina knew it had been 28 years since the curse/Emma’s birthday and the prophecy as she knew it was only that Snow’s baby would come back on it’s 28th birthday to break the curse. Really? She was obviously concerned when she first saw Emma, she tried to shoo her out of town immediately, she went to examine the clock when it started running–I really can’t understand Regina’s motives to be anything but perceiving Emma as a threat from the very start. Sure she never came right out and said this until last night, but within the context of the story that’s because she thought no one else knew they were cursed (so she had no one else to say this to), and on a meta-story level the writers wanted to preserve suspense. Even then, I quite clearly recall that–for the early episodes at least–the previews shown before the start of each episode would describe the curse with the words “only one knows the secret” while lingering on Regina. She certainly knows the prophesy and its details, but like all classical protagonists she thinks she can cheat fate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/616 "2012-05-08T22:25:56Z")
From re-reading this very thread, “Who knows and who doesn’t?” and “Does magic work in StoryBrook” seems to have been the over-reaching questions of the first few episodes. I think that Regina seemed to be only concerned that Emma was Henry’s bio-mom and might try to contest the adoption in the first several of their meetings. When the series is in re-runs, I will enjoy watching it again to see if my assumptions are the same. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/617 "2012-05-09T16:10:36Z")
I guess Jefferson didn’t disappear through the hat a few episodes back. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gold had some magic at the ready. He has all kinds of random things in his shop, some that seem to be from HEAL. In addition, he created the curse; I wouldn’t put it past him to have made special conditions for him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/618 "2012-05-10T00:07:32Z")
Did Gold invoke any magic when David/Charming suddenly remembered his life with Katherine? I didn’t think so, but it’s possible. I was also surprized to see Jefferson, I was sure he fell into the hat and thus into Wonderland. Has true love’s kiss ever been demonstrated to work for people who are not romantically attached? I’m wondering if Emma will save Henry by the purity of her mother’s-love. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/619 "2012-05-10T00:17:54Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > Did Gold invoke any magic when David/Charming suddenly remembered his life with Katherine? I didn’t think so, but it’s possible. > I was also surprized to see Jefferson, I was sure he fell into the hat and thus into Wonderland. > Has true love’s kiss ever been demonstrated to work for people who are not romantically attached? I’m wondering if Emma will save Henry by the purity of her mother’s-love. Gold definitely put a whammy on charming when he visitied the shop and looked at the lighthouse sculpture - if it was hypnosis or magic is yet to be seen. When Emma kissed the Huntsman, his memories returned - it may not have been true love for Emma - but it was more than enough for him. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/620 "2012-05-10T03:57:21Z")
I’m confused: wasn’t Snow White the beloved pampered daughter of the king in HEAL? So when/how did she turn into Conan the Warrior? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574.md?page=32)