# Once Upon A Time \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574 "2011-10-23T21:19:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/161 "2011-11-29T01:36:19Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Couldn’t figure out what Ms. Mayor had in her hand nor what was at the bottom of the mine. I think \*\*Flutteryby \*\*is right, though, and that it is a piece of Snow White’s “coffin”, and that the glade where it rested is at the bottom of the mine (odd place for it, where’s the sunlight coming from? oh, right, it’s magic.) [sup]1[/sup] It’s possible I’m wrong, but the coffin theory fits with what stories we know at the moment, which is most things focus around the Queen and Snow White. I’ve seen clips of James kissing Snow awake somewhere in previews so they will likely expand on that. Btw, it was kinda neat to see that Ella and Snow are sisters in law. Neatly hand waves multiple kingdoms away, after all the fairy tales are never really explicit in that the prince is the first born. Who was James engaged to before Snow anyway? I thought it was Ella before she truly popped up. > [@](#): > > [sup]1[/sup]I also note in passing that Flutterby mentioned the time issue days before I did. I’m sorry I missed that. It’s all right. 🙂 It was just rattling in my brain. Another thought, re: Henry’s theory that only Emma can really leave, how did Henry get there then? If everyone is contained in Storybrooke, and time is/was at a standstill I doubt many people would be vacationing there, or not for long, and it would be hard for Mr Gold to make outside contacts to arrange to get Henry. Emma has never been to Storybrooke before she was brought there by Henry, so she put him up for adoption somewhere else and who knows where that was given her tendency for itchy feet. So I would like to know how Mr Gold was able to get Henry there. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/162 "2011-11-29T09:25:57Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > 1. coffin theory fits with what stories we know at the moment, which is most things focus around the Queen and Snow White. > > 2)Who was James engaged to before Snow anyway? I thought it was Ella before she truly popped up. > > 3)Henry’s theory that only Emma can really leave, how did Henry get there then? > > 4)doubt many people would be vacationing there I modified your quote to insert points of response. Hope that’s obvious and not ulterior seeming. 1. I couldn’t tell from watching, but the blogs seem to agree its her glass coffin. They also mention Jiminy eating a Lost Apollo candy bar and all the miners having flasks. TGF the bloggers. 2. I thought it was random snooty arranged marriage princess who also plays his wife in this reality. 3. Henry was born outside Storybrooke. 4. This bothered me, if only in the sense of, how is Reds Grandma keeping her B&B open? I have to add. I’m not a fan of the premise or of Jennifer Morrison, but I like her here, and I like the direction they’ve taken the show. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/163 "2011-11-29T18:04:12Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I modified your quote to insert points of response. Hope that’s obvious and not ulterior seeming. > > 1. I couldn’t tell from watching, but the blogs seem to agree its her glass coffin. They also mention Jiminy eating a Lost Apollo candy bar and all the miners having flasks. TGF the bloggers. > > 2. I thought it was random snooty arranged marriage princess who also plays his wife in this reality. > > 3. Henry was born outside Storybrooke. > > 4. This bothered me, if only in the sense of, how is Reds Grandma keeping her B&B open? > > I have to add. I’m not a fan of the premise or of Jennifer Morrison, but I like her here, and I like the direction they’ve taken the show. 2.) correct 3.) correct 4.) B&B also is a coffee shop/diner - when Emma stayed at the B&B portion, it looked as if she was the first guest in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Sally\_Mander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Sally\_Mander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sally_Mander)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/164 "2011-11-29T19:16:21Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > 1. I couldn’t tell from watching, but the blogs seem to agree its her glass coffin. They also mention Jiminy eating a Lost Apollo candy bar and all the miners having flasks. TGF the bloggers. What is the significance of the miners having flasks? I thought I saw some of them with beer cans, and thought it was a little odd. I mean, I can understanding cracking open a cold one after something like that, but are they all going to get a buzz on and then drive the heavy machinery back to where it belongs? I caught the Apollo bar! That was a nice touch. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/165 "2011-11-29T21:39:46Z")
I also noticed the Apollo bar. Maybe there should’ve been a frozen donkey wheel at the bottom of the mine. Also, apparently 101 Dalmatians is a fairy tale. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/166 "2011-11-30T00:00:33Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I modified your quote to insert points of response. Hope that’s obvious and not ulterior seeming. > > 1. I couldn’t tell from watching, but the blogs seem to agree its her glass coffin. They also mention Jiminy eating a Lost Apollo candy bar and all the miners having flasks. TGF the bloggers. We re-watched the opening to the pilot - and then the last moments of this - It is pieces of the coffin - if you look closely, you can see the intricate roots that were on top of the glass - there is no doubt. I don’t get the apollo bar reference - and I never even thought about the 101 dalmations - wonder if we get to meet cruella? how many other things will we see? ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/167 "2011-11-30T01:44:35Z")
> [@simster](#): > > . > > I don’t get the apollo bar reference - > > and I never even thought about the 101 dalmations - wonder if we get to meet cruella? how many other things will we see? I don’t get the Apollo bar thing either. I started laughing when Archie called his dog Pongo, flew right over sweetie’s head though. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/168 "2011-11-30T05:03:36Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > I don’t get the Apollo bar thing either. The producers and writers of _Once Upon A Time_ also worked on _LOST_. They like to put little “easter egg” allusions to \*LOST \*in _Once_, like the town clock being stuck at 8:15–two of the special numbers on LOST. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/169 "2011-11-30T06:07:34Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > The producers and writers of _Once Upon A Time_ also worked on _LOST_. They like to put little “easter egg” allusions to \*LOST \*in _Once_, like the town clock being stuck at 8:15–two of the special numbers on LOST. I gave up on Lost in the middle of Season 3, so I’m going to miss a lot of those Easter eggs. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/170 "2011-11-30T13:56:15Z")
> [@Invisible\_Chimp](#): > > I gave up on Lost in the middle of Season 3, so I’m going to miss a lot of those Easter eggs. Same here, only I gave up about halfway through season 2. _shrugs_ Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/171 "2011-11-30T17:33:00Z")
These are the dudes who did Lost? I’m not sure how to take that. I didn’t watch Lost, but I did follow some of the threads here, and I was more than a little disgusted to hear the ending they came up with, enough so that I’ve decided I’m not likely to try watching it in the future, too. At least they’re starting with the premise that magic is involved, instead of promising real world explanations and finishing off with, “nope, sorry, you actually did die in that crash, have a nice afterlife.” ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/172 "2011-11-30T22:17:57Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > The producers and writers of _Once Upon A Time_ also worked on _LOST_. They like to put little “easter egg” allusions to \*LOST \*in _Once_, like the town clock being stuck at 8:15–two of the special numbers on LOST. Which writers though? LOST had a really high turnover in writers..nearly clearing the room after each season (might be why the shows started to suck since it got further and further from the ones who set up the pins) ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/173 "2011-12-01T07:32:05Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Which writers though? I don’t know. I was simply explaining the Apollo Bar reference. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/174 "2011-12-02T01:41:52Z")
I don’t have a link to it cuz I’m not a member/subscriber…but did anyone else see the Entertainment Weekly article on the show? The creators did a FAQ about it and outright said [spoiler]that the Mayor is fully aware of the curse and fully aware of their past life in fairytale land. They also said that they have “something big” planned for Rumple/Gold. I don’t like this because she is neither too nice of a person to be oblivious, nor too mean a person to be as evil as she “should” be being an evil queen and all.[/spoiler] But as we were debating for however long as to who knew what…the creators let that cat out of the bag ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/175 "2011-12-02T02:28:06Z")
\ I think that deserves a spoiler box - reported - but wow what news. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/176 "2011-12-02T02:36:16Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > But as we were debating for however long as to who knew what…the creators let that cat out of the bag That’s a major spoiler. In the future please put those kinds of revelations in spoiler tags unless it’s an open-spoilers thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/177 "2011-12-02T02:37:07Z")
Oh wow…I’m sorry I didn’t spoiler that. I guess since it was something we speculated on anyway, and it was in a public magazine I didn’t think it needed it, but I totally failed the “better safe than sorry” test. Apologies to all who might have seen and are now mad at me :(:(:(☹ ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/178 "2011-12-02T04:13:32Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Oh wow…I’m sorry I didn’t spoiler that. > > I guess since it was something we speculated on anyway, and it was in a public magazine I didn’t think it needed it, but I totally failed the “better safe than sorry” test. > > Apologies to all who might have seen and are now mad at me :(:(:(☹ i’m still going to enjoy the ride - one of the better shows this season - its surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/179 "2011-12-02T14:23:25Z")
Yeah, after the pilot week, I sure had no idea that I would like this show better than _Grimm_, but I do. I’m definitely in, for this season at least. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574/180 "2011-12-03T23:55:05Z")
> [@Invisible\_Chimp](#): > > I gave up on Lost in the middle of Season 3, so I’m going to miss a lot of those Easter eggs. Apollo bars showed up in season 2, in the pantry of the hatch, so quitting in season 3 is no excuse! :D;) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-upon-a-time-edited-title/600574.md?page=10)