# One Eyed Kings are Wild -- faith in God, faith in humanity **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 15, 2001, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-eyed-kings-are-wild-faith-in-god-faith-in-humanity/50209 "2001-01-15T21:02:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-eyed-kings-are-wild-faith-in-god-faith-in-humanity/50209/41 "2001-01-23T10:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jmullaney \* > I judge no one. Jesus’s words judge you on their own. You might persist in your vain understanding that God is not just, and that you can get away with all your sins and never repent, but again and again the Gospels make clear this will not be the case. If you do not keep his commandments you will not recieve the spirit. If you are not reborn with this spirit, you will not be saved. These are not my words, but the words of the one you call Lord. Why won’t you listen to what he says? Anyone who has faith in Jesus will do the works which he did, again by your Lord’s own teaching. Are you doing the works which he did? From here I can not tell, but you claimed that doing his works is not needed, which contradicts what Jesus, your Lord, says. Surely Jesus said that you would know who had faith in him by their fruits, which are the good things they bring forth. He did not say to blind yourself regarding who has these fruits and who does not. But now you are saying you do not respect my ability to see who has these fruits and who does not. And he said you must repent and bear good fruit in keeping with repentance, but you say even repentance is not needed. Jesus commanded no one to blind themselves about such matter, did he? Which of you two, who differ on so many things, am I to believe? \*\* You know… it is the arrogance of statements like this which get me. Jesus this, Jesus that. The one true god. Blah, blah, blah. The zealous monotheism of this on going rant, and others like it that I’ve experienced leave me seeing the majority of Christians as being a bunch of intolerant dogmatic sheep. No respect is generally paid to anyone of differing beliefs, and many will attempt a conversion on someone they find to either be an atheist, pagan, or ‘incorrect’ denomination. Why is it that when Christians try to not hide their light under a bushel, they often will attempt to set fire to the other lights which are different than theirs? I would think that more blood has been spilled in the past two thousand years over holy wars, inquisitions, and witch burnings than have died in world wars or from disease. Faith should sustain. Faith in itself should be enough. A score card of conversions and laying judgement upon others strikes me as being against everything the Christian faith is built on. But, of course, someone’s going to see me as a religious bigot and will ignore any points that I have made and will just say some variant of blasphemer. Blah, blah, blah. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-eyed-kings-are-wild-faith-in-god-faith-in-humanity/50209/42 "2001-01-23T19:38:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hastur \* > The zealous monotheism of this on going rant, and others like it that I’ve experienced leave me seeing the majority of Christians as being a bunch of intolerant dogmatic sheep. > > No respect is generally paid to anyone of differing beliefs, and many will attempt a conversion on someone they find to either be an atheist, pagan, or ‘incorrect’ denomination. > > Why is it that when Christians try to not hide their light under a bushel, they often will attempt to set fire to the other lights which are different than theirs? Not to speak for him, but I belileve jmullaney is speaking to other Christians in this thread, those who interpret Scripture differently from him and who he is trying to convince. And has been said before, and in the other thread going on about Christians’ arrogance, why follow a relgion you don’t believe is the Truth? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-eyed-kings-are-wild-faith-in-god-faith-in-humanity/50209.md?page=2)