# One For My Fellow Drummers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447 "2012-04-20T20:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/1 "2012-04-20T20:51:58Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/znJPA6FFC9A/maxresdefault.jpg "Cobus - Tonight Alive - Little Lion Man (Drum Cover)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znJPA6FFC9A) Some very fast and fine playing, IMO. Q ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/2 "2012-04-20T20:56:41Z")
I don’t know jack about drumming but I’ve always loved the way they’re brought to the foreground in [this song](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqf9FxaMIsI) and treated as a lead instrument rather then a rhythm instrument. It’s one of the few songs that I consciously notice the drums on. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/3 "2012-04-20T21:14:21Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I don’t know jack about drumming but I’ve always loved the way they’re brought to the foreground in [this song](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqf9FxaMIsI) and treated as a lead instrument rather then a rhythm instrument. It’s one of the few songs that I consciously notice the drums on. A classic, certainly. I always thought that John Densmore was one of the hardest working drummers in the business in his days with The Doors. He could always be counted on to deliver his best effort despite the material. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/4 "2012-04-21T20:47:29Z")
So about the video I posted upthread. Take a close look at this guy’s cymbals. There’s one on his right that has what looks like a small cymbal mounted upside down and has a very quick decay. Do any of you use this type cymbal and what’s it called? It also looks like he’s got 2 snares. I was just totally blown away and shared it on FB. Agree on Densmore, although he played time mostly, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I once attended a drum clinic taught by the late great Joe Morello and that’s what he had us do: “Play me some time”, he said, and we did, one at a time. He picked most of us apart right away. 🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/5 "2012-04-21T20:52:29Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > There’s one on his right that has what looks like a small cymbal mounted upside down and has a very quick decay. Do any of you use this type cymbal and what’s it called? [China cymbal?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_cymbal) ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/6 "2012-04-21T21:11:39Z")
No, not a China. This set-up has the large cymbal mounted correctly and the small one upside down on top. I think this might be his own invention (if you’re a drummer, please excuse this) in order to get the quick decay. (“means not craaaaaaaaaash!”, but crash. :)) God, I’d like to have that cymbal setup and I wish I could play as well as this youngster does!🙂 Q PS: I wanted add that Morello is the drummer on “Take 5” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/7 "2012-04-21T22:01:03Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Agree on Densmore, although he played time mostly, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I once attended a drum clinic taught by the late great Joe Morello and that’s what he had us do: “Play me some time”, he said, and we did, one at a time. He picked most of us apart right away. 🙂 > > Q Joe Morello was my idol. The man forgot more about playing drums than most of the rest of the world will ever learn, and Castillian Drums was, IMO, the pinnacle of his mastery. I’m envious that you were able to sit in his presence and try your best. ---
**Author:** ![ptr2void](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ptr2void/32/3406_2.png) [@ptr2void](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ptr2void)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/8 "2012-04-21T22:44:36Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > No, not a China. This set-up has the large cymbal mounted correctly and the small one upside down on top. I think this might be his own invention (if you’re a drummer, please excuse this) in order to get the quick decay. (“means not craaaaaaaaaash!”, but crash. :)) > > God, I’d like to have that cymbal setup and I wish I could play as well as this youngster does!🙂 > > Q > > PS: I wanted add that Morello is the drummer on “Take 5” There’s a good example of a couple of these no-decay cymbal stacks being played here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player\_detailpage&list=PL5BAF2766EDF4EBF7&v=SSk6DyjW1tM#t=144s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PL5BAF2766EDF4EBF7&v=SSk6DyjW1tM#t=144s) at around 2:30. I don’t think they had a name, but I believe Bill Bruford also made use of them. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/9 "2012-04-21T23:17:55Z")
**JESUS EFF’N CHRIST** , _another_ one! Godalmighty, I was mesmerized from the beginning and had to run it back to 2:30 a couple of times to see it, but I mean _damn_! I need that kid to get outta my farkin’ _yard_.😉 Twirling drumsticks!!! Fuck _that_, dude! I can probably twirl 'em on “And I Love You So” (or whatever the title is), but if I tried it on _that_ tune, I’d drop 'em fer sure!🙂 See, I’m a “Ventures” kinda drummer, and I couldn’t hold a candle to those guys. All I could do is stand there with my mouth open and be amazed at what I saw. The word “awesome” doesn’t even _begin_ to describe my reaction. And that bass player! Lord, those _fingers_! I’ve never seen anything like this and I guess it must be time for me to crawl out from under my rock! Thank you _very_ much for that link, **ptr2void** , I saved it. Wow! Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Satellite\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Satellite\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satellite_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/10 "2012-04-22T08:00:26Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > So about the video I posted upthread. Take a close look at this guy’s cymbals. There’s one on his right that has what looks like a small cymbal mounted upside down and has a very quick decay. Do any of you use this type cymbal and what’s it called? It also looks like he’s got 2 snares. > Q The mini upside-down cymbal to which you’re refering is, simply put, a bell. when he hits it, it’s not a crash, but a ding. Yes, in some of his videos, he is using two snares. the main one (between his legs) is sharper sounding, while the one to his left is warmer sounding, so he can have two distinct snare tones in his music. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/11 "2012-04-22T16:30:29Z")
> [@Satellite\_Guy](#): > > The mini upside-down cymbal to which you’re refering is, simply put, a bell. when he hits it, it’s not a crash, but a ding. > > Yes, in some of his videos, he is using two snares. the main one (between his legs) is sharper sounding, while the one to his left is warmer sounding, so he can have two distinct snare tones in his music. Yeah, it looks to me like a china cymbal with a bell mounted upside-down on top of it. ETA: Actually, [there’s a photo here](http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16381) of a similar setup, if you scroll down. ---
**Author:** ![Satellite\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Satellite\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satellite_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/12 "2012-04-22T18:22:12Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Yeah, it looks to me like a china cymbal with a bell mounted upside-down on top of it. > > ETA: Actually, [there’s a photo here](http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16381) of a similar setup, if you scroll down. I scrolled down, as you said, and found them. Apparently, they’re called an [ice](http://www.long-mcquade.com/products/8236/Drums/Cymbals/Sabian/7_Inch_Stage_Ice_Bell.htm) [bell](http://www.long-mcquade.com/products/8237/Drums/Cymbals/Sabian/9_Inch_Stage_Ice_Bell.htm), available in 7" and 9" varieties. ---
**Author:** ![Take\_the\_cannoli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5e9695/32.png) [@Take\_the\_cannoli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Take_the_cannoli)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/13 "2012-04-22T18:45:07Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > [http://youtu.be/znJPA6FFC9A](http://youtu.be/znJPA6FFC9A) > > Some very fast and fine playing, IMO. > > Q Good vid. Here’s another [fast & furious drummer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0FuFfcCZiE) (3:13) ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-for-my-fellow-drummers/619447/14 "2012-04-22T19:54:14Z")
Those are some nice Mapexes, but that’s so much gear, I’m afraid I’d get tangled up in it, guys! 🙂 And Hoedown has always been an ELP favorite of mine, thanks! Q