# "One Nation Under Socialism" painting

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [March 22, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514 "2012-03-22T16:59:31Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/41 "2012-03-23T12:55:40Z")

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> [@Ulfreida](#):
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> Why ironically?

Because the title indicates that the painting is supposed to actually be a condemnation of socialism?

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**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/42 "2012-03-23T13:14:07Z")

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> [@Latro](#):
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> But what I can’t understand is what Christians, of all people, would have against socialism. Christ himself is very much a Socialist (avant la lettre).  
> I mean the rich can’t enter heaven, everyone was socially equal to him, everything was shared, no posessions etc…
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> Do they see socialists as competitors or something?

We’re not saying they’re _good_ Christians. 🙂

Google up Prosperity Theology, and weep.

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**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/43 "2012-03-23T13:53:25Z")

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I just put up the Abraham Lincoln riding a grizzly bear one, actually.

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/44 "2012-03-23T14:25:46Z")

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> [@Gorsnak](#):
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> We’re not saying they’re _good_ Christians. 🙂
> 
> Google up Prosperity Theology, and weep.

Hey, other-Europeans, remind me how to say socialcristiano in English please?

Many if not most Cristians have nothing against what the Americans call “socialism”. We’re all for it, actually.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/45 "2012-03-23T14:30:56Z")

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> [@Nava](#):
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> Hey, other-Europeans, remind me how to say socialcristiano in English please?

Not a European, but I suspect you’re looking for the “social Gospel”.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/46 "2012-03-23T14:55:18Z")

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> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> Not a European, but I suspect you’re looking for the “social Gospel”.

Or “liberation theology.”

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/47 "2012-03-23T14:56:46Z")

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> [@Nava](#):
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> Many if not most Cristians have nothing against what the Americans call “socialism”. We’re all for it, actually.

What Americans call “socialism” is what Euros call “social democracy.” What Euros call “socialism” is something that has not been a topic for serious discussion in the U.S. since the 1930s.

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**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/48 "2012-03-23T15:01:55Z")

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Either that or “Liberation Theology”.

Edit: Ah, beaten to the punch.

Was going to point out that there’s a book called “Jesus Was a Capitalist” which is presumably based on trivial details such as the analogy of the servant collecting interest (obviously referring to spiritual interest) or his receiving gold from one of the three magi (because gifts received as an infant must indicate a rational actor seeking to abolish fiat currency).

By the way, there’s an interesting thread on Something Awful where the Cthulu parody is from (thought it may have been a Photoshop Phriday), found out about Kelly cartoons there too.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/49 "2012-03-23T15:16:08Z")

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> [@C3](#):
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> He states in one of those pictures that he’s Mormon. It’s the one with Jesus Christ on the cross and all the religious figures all around him. Joseph Smith (founder of LDS) is among them and if you scroll over, McNaughton says in that blurb that he’s LDS.

:eek: A **Mormon** knocking **socialism?!** [What a fucking hypocrite!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=645396)

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/50 "2012-03-23T15:32:52Z")

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> [@Slithy\_Tove](#):
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> information for the painting “Wake Up America”
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> _“Every man, woman and child in America is enslaved to our national debt.”_

Of which there was none before 01/20/2009, right, McNaughton?  
:rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/51 "2012-03-23T15:37:18Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> Of which there was none before 01/20/2009, right, McNaughton?

McNaughton addresses that issue. He “It is not a partisan painting. I take no favoritism of Republicans or Democrats. Both parties are guilty.”

It’s just that he doesn’t know how to paint Republicans.

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/52 "2012-03-23T15:39:33Z")

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> [@Zsofia](#):
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> I just put up the Abraham Lincoln riding a grizzly bear one, actually.

What I want to see is a McNaughton rendition of George Washington, twelve feet tall and made of radiation.

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**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/53 "2012-03-23T16:09:47Z")

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> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> What I want to see is a McNaughton rendition of George Washington, twelve feet tall and made of radiation.

So, a Dr. Manhattan version of George Washington?

It’d be interesting to see whether or not McNaughton would leave anything to the imagination. But judging from his other works, subtlety doesn’t really appear to be his thing.

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**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/54 "2012-03-23T16:10:39Z")

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> [@pravnik](#):
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> Hey, in the earlier painting Jesus had the Constitution…how did Obama get it away from him?

Jesus was too distracted “suffering the little children to come unto himself” to remember where he left it.

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**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/55 "2012-03-23T16:22:19Z")

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> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> What I want to see is a McNaughton rendition of George Washington, twelve feet tall and made of radiation.

> [@FordPrefect](#):
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> Jesus was too distracted “suffering the little children to come unto himself” to remember where he left it.

That’s OK! George Washington will save the little children (but not the British children).

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**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/56 "2012-03-23T16:28:12Z")

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> [@WolfpackJeep](#):
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> That’s OK! George Washington will save the little children (but not the British children).

And certainly no Iroquois!

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**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/57 "2012-03-23T17:07:43Z")

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> [@Nava](#):
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> Hey, other-Europeans, remind me how to say socialcristiano in English please?
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> Many if not most Cristians have nothing against what the Americans call “socialism”. We’re all for it, actually.

Christian Socialist?

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**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/58 "2012-03-23T19:33:54Z")

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> [@WolfpackJeep](#):
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> That’s OK! George Washington will save the little children (but not the British children).

He’s coming. He’s coming. He’s coming.

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/59 "2012-03-23T19:39:24Z")

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> [@brossa](#):
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> He’s coming. He’s coming. He’s coming.

And **that** , kids, is how George Washington became the Father of his Country.

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**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-nation-under-socialism-painting/616514/60 "2012-03-23T19:39:49Z")

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> [@Ulfreida](#):
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> Why ironically?

Because this guy seems to have a hard-on against all things “socialist” (for Tea Party values of the word socialist). Yet he makes propaganda art in the style pioneered by _actual_ socialists. Irony.

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