# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/201 "2015-12-16T23:36:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > A Biotop/Stickler wolf duo doesn’t explain how Biotop knew to counter sachertorte’s claim. > > A lone wolf Biotop who knows there’s no troublemaker still allows for a scenario where my evidence train in 119 confirms several town players. > > It also still allows for us killing Inner Stickler and then IS killing Biotop. The problem with that is he thinks I am wolf, and would shoot me. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/202 "2015-12-16T23:36:27Z")
Shouldn’t IS kill Biotop BEFORE we kill IS? Hard to kill someone if you’re dead… ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/203 "2015-12-16T23:37:03Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I guess I can now say that I did not really switch the players I claimed I did. Ugh again. Why bother to say this and not tell us what your current claim is? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/204 "2015-12-16T23:37:27Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Shouldn’t IS kill Biotop BEFORE we kill IS? Hard to kill someone if you’re dead… As hunter who is killed, the hunter’s target is also killed, right? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/205 "2015-12-16T23:39:38Z")
Oh. Simultaneous. I’m good with simulantaneous, sure. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/206 "2015-12-16T23:43:36Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Oh. Simultaneous. I’m good with simulantaneous, sure. I think it would also apply in the case of a tie. We could actually kill multiple people on the lynch then the hunter kills another. But trying to coordinate a tie with secret voting seems like a fools errand. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/207 "2015-12-16T23:45:34Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > The problem with that is he thinks I am wolf, and would shoot me. I’d still like to think that IS is a wolf and that killing him will end the game regardless. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/208 "2015-12-16T23:46:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I’d still like to think that IS is a wolf and that killing him will end the game regardless. The game WILL end regardless… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/209 "2015-12-16T23:47:46Z")
With a town victory, I meant to say. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/210 "2015-12-17T00:00:04Z")
I’m spinning right 'round, baby, right 'round, like a record player and so forth. The only things I’m truly sure of are: I started as Villager Wolverine started as Tanner …and that is it. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/211 "2015-12-17T00:03:22Z")
Well, sachertorte and I started as Masons. Depending on Biotop’s actions, we still may be. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/212 "2015-12-17T00:08:32Z")
I think it’s pretty sure that Mahaloth started as Seer given he outed me. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/213 "2015-12-17T00:10:48Z")
I’m willing to believe that there is still the possibility that you are all lying scumbags… I say that with love, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/214 "2015-12-17T00:13:19Z")
Look, it is 100% impossible for us to pin down exactly who the wolf is (or if there is a wolf). The best we can do is figure out who we can reasonably declare to be confirmed town and then, from the remaining pool, pick the player who we can make the best case against. It’s going to be a guess at the end, but we can make it an educated one. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/215 "2015-12-17T00:23:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Look, it is 100% impossible for us to pin down exactly who the wolf is (or if there is a wolf). > > The best we can do is figure out who we can reasonably declare to be confirmed town and then, from the remaining pool, pick the player who we can make the best case against. It’s going to be a guess at the end, but we can make it an educated one. Yeah, I know. I got my suspicions, based on questionable logic. I just wish I had some more confirmedses. I’m willing to bet the odds on the Masons being Masons, at least at the start. I’m willing to go along with what **TexCat** has claimed. And I see very little chance that you didn’t start as the drunk. But with **Biotop** now claiming his original claim was a lie, but also not giving the details of his second claim, which might also be lies…ending roles are all jumbled and up in the air… ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/216 "2015-12-17T00:26:17Z")
Another question on voting: Yes, it is a secret vote at the end. But after the game has been sorted out/over, will it be revealed who voted for whom? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/217 "2015-12-17T00:30:38Z")
Why would it be? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/218 "2015-12-17T00:35:32Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Another question on voting: > > Yes, it is a secret vote at the end. But after the game has been sorted out/over, will it be revealed who voted for whom? I don’t see why it wouldn’t be revealed. It’d add confirmation so we knew that MentalGuy wasn’t running a crooked game. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/219 "2015-12-17T00:39:52Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Why would it be? I guess it doesn’t HAVE to be. But would be nice to know, for future games, how people’s lying scumbagitude relates to their voting and such… …and also what **Hooker Chem** said…to audit **MetalGuy** ’s lying scumbagetry. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/220 "2015-12-17T00:41:32Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Ugh again. Why bother to say this and not tell us what your current claim is? Because I posted from the bathroom at work. It’s not as if I can ask the boss for thirty minutes to compose a post explaining my actions in an online game. But I did not want the unwarranted speculations to continue a minute longer once we heard from **Hooker . Because, as is probably obvious by now, I switched Hooker**. **Prof. P** , sorry to make you think you were a doomed-to-lose tanner longer than necessary. But you are also no longer a mason, because I actually switched you and\*\* Hooker\*\*. I figured I owed him that from our last game. I thought the false switch lie might give us a lead or cause a wolf to make a mistake. And I also did not, at the time, understand **sachertorte** ’s early false claim. Finally, I did not know \*\*Hooker \*\*would be away so long from the game. Sorry. I didn’t mean to cause a stew. But hey, the role does say “troublemaker.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=12)