# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/221 "2015-12-17T00:49:36Z")
Borrowed from **Inner Stickler** and updated -----------------------Starting Roles-------------------Current Roles Inner Stickler-------Hunter---------------------------Hunter Biotop---------------Troublemaker-------------------Troublemaker snfaulkner----------Villager---------------------------Villager Prof. Pepperwinkle-Mason---------------------------Villager Texcat---------------Robber-------------------------- Drunk HookerChemical----Villager--------------------------Mason Wolverine-----------Tanner---------------------------Tanner Mahaloth------------Seer------------------------------Seer Johnny Bravo-------Drunk----------------------------? Sachertorte---------Mason----------------------------Mason Werewolf Werewolf Insomniac ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/222 "2015-12-17T00:53:07Z")
“So long” was \<24 hours! I’ve taken my punishment in reading the thread then getting to the point where the first three pages were essentially put in the shredder due to the lies. So, why do we believe you this time, Biotop? It probably doesn’t make a difference if the plan is to lynch IS and let him target his suspected wolf if he’s really the hunter, but it might help IS out. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/223 "2015-12-17T00:55:30Z")
Assuming we are done with town lies, and looking at the above chart… If **Johnny Bravo** was drunkenly transmogrified into the insomniac, would he know it? Or not? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/224 "2015-12-17T01:04:02Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Assuming we are done with town lies, and looking at the above chart… > > If **Johnny Bravo** was drunkenly transmogrified into the insomniac, would he know it? Or not? I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/225 "2015-12-17T01:09:46Z")
I’ve lied the whole game and am secretly a super scummy person. Ha Ha. I fooled all of you. I’m not the Tanner, I’m…uh…somebody super evil. Since you think I’m the Tanner, you won’t vote for me and I’ll escape. ::insert nervous laugh:: sigh ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/226 "2015-12-17T01:11:30Z")
Villager? I can deal with being a villager. I also doubt Johnny would know that he was the insomniac post hoc. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/227 "2015-12-17T01:12:32Z")
[Pointing.] Oh, look! There goes the evil, vile, maleficent Werewolverine [not a Tanner]! No? Well, okay, I tried. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/228 "2015-12-17T01:12:43Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > I’ve lied the whole game and am secretly a super scummy person. Ha Ha. I fooled all of you. I’m not the Tanner, I’m…uh…somebody super evil. Since you think I’m the Tanner, you won’t vote for me and I’ll escape. ::insert nervous laugh:: > > sigh ☹ Hehe, well played, sir. NOW GET BACK TO TANNING! ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/229 "2015-12-17T01:23:10Z")
Ok, so…where do we go from here? Assuming nobody is lying, there is a 66% chance **Johnny B** is a wolf. But of course, a wolf would lie, if there is one…or two. What’s the easiest thing to pretend to be? I’m assuming a Villager. Which unfortunately means I’m painting myself into a logical corner. But it could have been **Hooker Chem** so now **Prof. P.** … But how do we determine if there is any at all? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/230 "2015-12-17T01:27:34Z")
We wait to see if hookerchemical changes claim in light of being switched. If hooker is a wolf then things get clearer in terms of what to do. Funny thing is when I was fake claiming I considered switching hookerchemical and prof p. But I decided to switch two unknowns instead for better odds of hitting a wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/231 "2015-12-17T05:04:54Z")
I think I discovered a loophole. If you look carefully at the rules, if there are no werewolves and the Tanner dies, then we all go out for ice cream! Or Denny’s because [Denny’s is for winners](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0Oqc5nRR8). So vote for me. Wolverine 2015! Wolverine 2015! (at this point, I’m just posting for fun because I’m already out of it unless Biotop is double secret lying) ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/232 "2015-12-17T13:15:39Z")
Or unless you and \*\*Mahaloth \*\*are lying. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/233 "2015-12-17T13:22:18Z")
Except that there’s no compelling reason to believe that he is. Mahaloth is as close to confirmed as we’re going to get, unless we’re in a situation where literally everybody is lying just for the shits and giggles of it. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/234 "2015-12-17T13:58:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Except that there’s no compelling reason to believe that he is. Mahaloth is as close to confirmed as we’re going to get, unless we’re in a situation where literally everybody is lying just for the shits and giggles of it. I think there are plenty of reasons to lie in this game: 1. Wolf #1: Has to lie 2. Wolf #2: Has to lie 3. Tanner: Has to lie 4. Hunter: Probably will lie or else his hunter power is neutralized. 5. Seer: Probably should lie early on. Has extra information that will enable him to spot lies. 6.Troublemaker: Lying gives a real chance to spot other liars or prompt a wolf to give himself away. 6. Robber: If the Robber steals a wolf or tanner role (or one of the above), then he has reason to lie. 7. Insomniac: Might well lie if the new role is one of the above. Others (and some of the above) might lie early because their roles are not completely determined. If one finds out later on that one is a wolf, having the truth out early could be very damaging. “Shits and giggles” would be a crummy reason to lie. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/235 "2015-12-17T14:10:01Z")
Another way of looking at it is \*why should anyone tell the truth \* early on? In regular Mafia only the wolves lie. But in this game, not only are there many roles with good reason to lie, but also no one knows FOR SURE which side he is on (except the insomniac). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/236 "2015-12-17T14:13:02Z")
Yes, but we’re not early on anymore. We’re long past the point where we should have just gotten on with things. This game is about making deductions based on trains of evidence. Eventually everyone who knows they are town needs to put the actual facts on the table so that town can make the best possible decision. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/237 "2015-12-17T15:05:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Yes, but we’re not early on anymore. We’re long past the point where we should have just gotten on with things. > > This game is about making deductions based on trains of evidence. Eventually everyone who knows they are town needs to put the actual facts on the table so that town can make the best possible decision. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/238 "2015-12-17T15:16:26Z")
I have sent in my vote. Should I lie about who I voted for? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/239 "2015-12-17T15:36:40Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I have sent in my vote. Should I lie about who I voted for? :rolleyes: I cannot see any reason for you to lie about anything \*\*TexCat \*\*. Your role is almost certain. Of course, you and **JB** could both be wolves, but that would mean that either the real Drunk and the real Robber are not in the game, or that the real Robber stole your role (or JB’S) and thus would surely keep quiet…and the Drunk is not in the game or is unrevealed. \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and **Wolverine** only need the seer not to be in the game for their wolf team to be possible. (OR that the real seer has not revealed himself yet). ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/240 "2015-12-17T15:53:53Z")
I am sorry, but I realize there is a rule that I forgot to post. I realized there might be a couple of roles this could be important to. **You may not vote for yourself**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=13)