# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/241 "2015-12-17T16:09:13Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and **Wolverine** only need the seer not to be in the game for their wolf team to be possible. (OR that the real seer has not revealed himself yet). For their wolf team to have been possible, Mahaloth would have had to have deduced that not only was Inner Stickler not the seer (there was no evidence for this at the time), but also that there was no seer in the game at all. It’s possible, but not plausible. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/242 "2015-12-17T16:19:39Z")
Time to shake things up a bit. I’m going to trust Biotop (because that went so well for me last time). I started as the wolf. Taking Biotop at face value that he swapped me and Prof. P, we should lynch Prof P. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/243 "2015-12-17T16:22:54Z")
And the other wolf? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/244 "2015-12-17T18:12:21Z")
Lynching Prof. P. is never a good idea. It gives you heartburn. Who’s the other wolf? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/245 "2015-12-17T18:24:32Z")
Besides, I’ve gone from Mason to Tanner to Werewolf to Tanner to Mason to Villager to Werewolf. You can’t count on me being the same thing Monday as I seem to be now. I certainly don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/246 "2015-12-17T20:48:24Z")
Sorry, \*\*Prof. P \*\*. When we vote to lynch you, maybe you can still 4/6 win. You win for the first time Mason, the tanner, the second time mason, and the villager. But you lose for the time you were a wolf and for the last actual time you were a wolf. This has got to be a record for most roles in a game! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/247 "2015-12-17T20:50:36Z")
Even if we believe Biotop and Hooker, we should still vote to lynch Inner Stickler. If he’s the Hunter, he can just shoot Prof. P. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/248 "2015-12-17T20:52:38Z")
HookerChemical is being entirely too short on information to be trusted. As a wolf, he should have additional information to share if he wants us to believe him. Yet all he says is that he is a wolf. As if that should be enough. I’m feeling distrustful. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/249 "2015-12-17T21:04:27Z")
Let’s see if I can express my thoughts in a clear manner. Earlier I mentioned that I was not trusting Biotop. What I presented was only half of my concerns. I stated that Biotop could have been a wolf alone and seen that troublemaker was not in the game. It’s true that that was a concern, but my first concern was actually all the grilling that was being piled on Prof P regarding the other mason. Prof P practically broadcast that the other mason was experienced (I’m not, but I am willing to do unconventional things) and might have a strategy that he didn’t want to interrupt. To my eyes, Prof P pretty much broadcast that the other mason was participating and lying. I’m thinking that Biotop picked up on this exchange and concluded that I was lying and decided to counterclaim me. Look at his message. He is so unbelievably unaggressive about it. I was expecting the real troublemaker to either stay silent and let it play out, or come out guns blazing and call me a wolf for lying. Biotop did neither. He’s way too calm for my liking. So now we have the HookerChemical situation. It’s kind of convenient that Biotop suddenly lied about his original claim. I mean, if he was willing to lie about his own role, I think he should have been cognizant about why someone else was lying about being a troublemaker too. It just doesn’t make sense to me. And lo! HookerChemical just happens to be a wolf. A wolf that isn’t naming the other wolf. Gee, I wonder why. It stinks. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/250 "2015-12-17T21:11:24Z")
Why would I embark on such a grandiose plan? Why not just let everyone lynch **Inner Stickler**? Or why make the false claim involving **Wolverine** if I am a wolf? Why even bring \*\*Hooker \*\*into this if we are both wolves? Please give me credit for a little sense in my play … ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/251 "2015-12-17T21:42:57Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Or unless you and \*\*Mahaloth \*\*are lying. We are not. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Except that there’s no compelling reason to believe that he is. Mahaloth is as close to confirmed as we’re going to get, unless we’re in a situation where literally everybody is lying just for the shits and giggles of it. I wish, just once, we had a game where everyone lied. It’d be awesome. > [@Biotop](#): > > Another way of looking at it is \*why should anyone tell the truth \* early on? > > In regular Mafia only the wolves lie. But in this game, not only are there many roles with good reason to lie, but also no one knows FOR SURE which side he is on (except the insomniac). Uh, not only the wolves lie. Sometimes Town lies too. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/252 "2015-12-17T21:44:53Z")
I had to slow play it, but Biotop hasn’t recanted so I’m sold that he really did switch me. I started as the lone wolf. I looked at the center and found the other wolf. (This really hurt any ability to false claim, FYI.) If Bio and I were wolves, he had no motivation to switch his claim. Neither of us were under much scrutiny. I was maybe on the short list to be killed by IS if he were hunter, but playing the odds would have been to stand pat, let the IS lynch go through, and hope he didn’t pick me. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/253 "2015-12-17T21:55:30Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Why would I embark on such a grandiose plan? To win > [@](#): > > Why not just let everyone lynch **Inner Stickler**? Because Inner Stickler could cap your wolf buddy > [@](#): > > Or why make the false claim involving **Wolverine** if I am a wolf? If you’re a wolf you had to claim something. > [@](#): > > Why even bring \*\*Hooker \*\*into this if we are both wolves? The effect of your play is to get us to kill Prof P. If you and Hooker are wolves, that would lead to a win. > [@](#): > > Please give me credit for a little sense in my play … Seriously? That is what I’m doing. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/254 "2015-12-17T21:57:25Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > I had to slow play it, but Biotop hasn’t recanted so I’m sold that he really did switch me. That makes no sense. What does it matter if Biotop recanted? If Biotop tricked you, then we would be lynching you and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference what you said after the fact. It certainly looks more like you didn’t want to tell us more because you know you are still a wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/255 "2015-12-17T22:00:03Z")
So now I’m the Lone Wolf? Wow. Roles come and go so quickly here. I wonder what I really am. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/256 "2015-12-17T22:13:18Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > I started as the lone wolf. I looked at the center and found the other wolf. (This really hurt any ability to false claim, FYI.) I read the rules that the lone wolf knows one of the non-wolf roles that was picked. Can we get clarification from the mod? If the werewolf is lone, is it possible that he’ll be told “you’re a lone werewolf, one of the roles that was not picked is a werewolf”? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/257 "2015-12-17T22:29:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I read the rules that the lone wolf knows one of the non-wolf roles that was picked. > > Can we get clarification from the mod? If the werewolf is lone, is it possible that he’ll be told “you’re a lone werewolf, one of the roles that was not picked is a werewolf”? Yes, I agree with this that it doesn’t seem to make sense, or be fair to the lone wolf. “Hey, you’re the lone wolf and your special power is that you know you are a lone wolf!” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/258 "2015-12-17T22:30:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I read the rules that the lone wolf knows one of the non-wolf roles that was picked. > > Can we get clarification from the mod? If the werewolf is lone, is it possible that he’ll be told “you’re a lone werewolf, one of the roles that was not picked is a werewolf”? I can provide that clarification. If this were tabletop, the narrator would say something along the lines of:“If you are a werewolf, open your eyes and find the other werewolf. If there is no other werewolf, you may look at one of the unpicked roles.” (I’m framing it that way to steer well clear of the PM message restriction.) One of those roles is the other werewolf. Which is the one I looked at. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/259 "2015-12-17T22:32:53Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Yes, I agree with this that it doesn’t seem to make sense, or be fair to the lone wolf. “Hey, you’re the lone wolf and your special power is that you know you are a lone wolf!” :dubious: Think of three markers in the middle of the table that I got to pick from. One was the wolf, the other two were town roles. I picked the wolf. The others were insomniac and vanilla villager (through deduction, based on snfaulkner’s most recent summary of who is/was what). ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/260 "2015-12-17T22:33:27Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I have sent in my vote. Should I lie about who I voted for? :rolleyes: I secretly hope you are voting for **Prof P.** based on nothing other than some personal vendetta you’ve seem to had against him the past few games that I’ve been in/read. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=14)