# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/21 "2015-12-16T01:10:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I have to believe Inner Stickler’s info is valid. Oh, unless he’s actually the Tanner and is lying in an attempt to get himself killed! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/22 "2015-12-16T01:10:55Z")
Risky? How d’ya figure? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/23 "2015-12-16T01:19:56Z")
Because the insomniac is told his role. That means fake-claiming that the insomniac is in the game (only a 7% chance of being correct) would be likely to get immediately counterclaimed. So either you WERE the seer, or you’re a tanner lying on purpose. Either way, no reason to kill you without evidence that you’re something different. Though… what I’m not clear on is whether the insomniac is told his original role or his FINAL role after all the ‘cards’ have been shuffled around. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/24 "2015-12-16T01:29:48Z")
I was the Robber. I switched roles with Johnny Bravo. Johnny Bravo started as the Drunk. He is now one of the three unchosen roles. If we believe Inner Stickler, Johnny Bravo now is the Insomniac, the Tanner, or the missing role. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/25 "2015-12-16T01:30:29Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. Insomniac - The Insomniac will be told what their role is after all the other Night actions. That certainly sounds like it’s the second case, and his FINAL role is revealed to him (or her). ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/26 "2015-12-16T01:31:59Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I was the Robber. I switched roles with Johnny Bravo. Johnny Bravo started as the Drunk. He is now one of the three unchosen roles. If we believe Inner Stickler, Johnny Bravo now is the Insomniac, the Tanner, or the missing role. Ah, ok, this answers my question. I must’ve missed that point in the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/27 "2015-12-16T01:33:02Z")
Okay, I will confirm that I was the drunk. But according to the order, that means that YOU are now the Insomniac, Tanner, or the missing role. You became the Drunk before the Drunk became a different role. …right? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/28 "2015-12-16T01:34:27Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Also, notice that the rules post has the order that the actions happen during the Night. Please realize that if someone’s role gets switched, they still take the action of their original role. For example, if the Troublemaker switched the role of the Drunk and a Mason, then the player that was originally the Drunk would be the one to exchange his role for a new unknown one, so the Drunk would still be in the game, but one of the Masons would be removed. The actual game uses cards with the roles on them, so you may want to imagine that. You look at your role to begin with, but unless your role specifically calls for it, you do not look at any roles again until the Day begins. > > Let me know if there are any questions. So in the example above, the original mason would be a simple villager, though that player would be unaware of his actual role until it was either deduced or the game reveal the the end…right? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/29 "2015-12-16T01:36:22Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > For example, if the Troublemaker switched the role of the Drunk and a Mason, then the player that was originally the Drunk would be the one to exchange his role for a new unknown one, so the Drunk would still be in the game, but one of the Masons would be removed. Ugh, never mind. This is so confusing. So yes, I am now either the Tanner (in which case I can’t win) or a different unknown role. I did not receive anything indicating that I am the Insomniac. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/30 "2015-12-16T01:40:07Z")
So, at least we now know that TexCat is presently the Drunk, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/31 "2015-12-16T01:41:39Z")
No, because we still don’t know what the troublemaker did. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/32 "2015-12-16T01:42:49Z")
Yes. (unless the Troublemaker switched me later.) And we know the Robber card is now in the discard pile. (Unless Troublemaker switched Johnny Bravo later.) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/33 "2015-12-16T01:43:36Z")
The Troublemaker acted before the Drunk, but after the Robber. yeah, that’s no help. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/34 "2015-12-16T01:52:56Z")
So yeah, I think the troublemaker needs to claim. Masons should also claim. There can be only one more unassigned role, so if we have no troublemaker, we must have two masons. If we have only one mason, we must have a troublemaker. If nobody at all claims mason, then we know that there was only one mason, and therefore we know that it’s a 50/50 shot that I’m either the Tanner or the Mason. Likewise if nobody claims troublemaker. I can think of **no good reason** not to claim if you started as troublemaker or mason. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/35 "2015-12-16T01:55:26Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > We don’t want to kill the robber or troublemaker before they tell us what they did - that could be utterly disastrous and leave us without the means to trace back the string of events that reveals roles to us. This post makes me believe that you are not completely understanding the rules of this game. I suggest everyone re-read the rules. This is ONE night ultimate werewolf. There is one and only one night. There is one and only one day. Once we kill someone, that’s it. The game is over. The only thing left to do is figure out who won and who didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/36 "2015-12-16T01:55:29Z")
Johnny Bravo: [snip] > [@](#): > > I can think of no good reason not to claim if you started as troublemaker or mason. Neither can I. I’m a Mason, and there is another, though I’m reluctant to out him as such without his consent. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/37 "2015-12-16T01:59:05Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Except for the wolves, if they exist, would there be any point in lying about your role for anyone else? Well there is the fact that few players, if any, know for sure if they are a werewolf or not. We know if we started out as a werewolf or not, but not what we ended up with after Night ended. > [@](#): > > Also, is there any way that the unassigned roles can be put back in play? Or are they out forever? During Night the roles could come back. At this point in time, the unassigned roles are out of play and will not make a comeback. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/38 "2015-12-16T02:04:47Z")
I’m the Troublemaker and I switched Mahaloth and HookerChemical. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/39 "2015-12-16T02:07:32Z")
Okay, so now we just wait for the rest of the claims. If the game started with two wolves, and if only one of them was Mahaloth or HookerChemical, then town wins the game. This is either good or bad for me depending on my mystery role. Oh well! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/40 "2015-12-16T02:16:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If the game started with two wolves, and if only one of them was Mahaloth or HookerChemical, then town wins the game. Continuing to think out loud about hypotheticals scenarios. Mahaloth: Wolf Player B: Wolf HookerChemical: Town HookerChemical and Mahaloth are switched. Mahaloth now knows three things: 1. He is 100% town. 2. HookerChemical is 100% wolf. 3. Player B is 100% wolf. Mahaloth now claims and tells us who the other wolf is. We all pick one to vote for and town wins the game. In a scenario where we only started with one wolf, we still know that HookerChemical must be a wolf because we know the robber’s action. There’s a 50/50 shot that the Drunk (me) is the other wolf, but it doesn’t matter because we still know with certainty that Hooker is one. In the extremely unlikely scenario where Hooker and Mahaloth are both wolves, they easily lie and we’re all screwed. In a scenario where neither of them are wolves, we find out who the second mason is and then just have to pick from the list of unconfirmed players. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=3)