# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/41 "2015-12-16T02:18:11Z")

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ok, so as I understand it, assuming no one is lying:  
**Inner Stickler** was and still is the seer  
**SNF** was and is villager  
**Prof. Pepp** was and is a mason  
**Texcat** was the robber, is now the drunk  
**Johnny Bravo** was the drunk, is now either the Tanner or some other unknown  
**Sachertorte** was and is the troublemaker

That leaves  
**Biotop  
Hooker Chemical  
Wolverine  
Mahaloth**

as unannounced.

and

werewolf x 2  
mason  
villager  
tanner  
hunter

unaccounted for…right??

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**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/42 "2015-12-16T02:20:37Z")

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> [@sachertorte](#):
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> I’m the Troublemaker and I switched Mahaloth and HookerChemical.

This is a problem because I am the Troublemaker and switched \*\*Prof. P \*\*and **Wolverine**.

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**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/43 "2015-12-16T02:20:41Z")

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BTW, I’m a villager…

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/44 "2015-12-16T02:25:30Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
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> So in the example above, the original mason would be a simple villager, though that player would be unaware of his actual role until it was either deduced or the game reveal the the end…right?

I am assuming you are asking me to clarify here. Yes, the original Mason would have the Drunk card, but would functionally be just a vanilla villager. He would not know, though, as you said.

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/45 "2015-12-16T02:27:32Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> That certainly sounds like it’s the second case, and his FINAL role is revealed to him (or her).

Essentially, everyone’s original role is revealed to them including the Insomniac. The Insomniac has the special ability of also seeing what they are after all Night actions take place.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/46 "2015-12-16T02:29:36Z")

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Okay, then… I still might be the insomniac.

So I am a 33% chance of being either the Tanner, the Insomniac, or Unknown.

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**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/47 "2015-12-16T02:33:13Z")

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Another couple questions for clarification, **MentalGuy**.

Can we vote whenever we like? Or is there a set time to vote?  
If we can vote whenever, can we change votes if we needed to?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/48 "2015-12-16T02:38:02Z")

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Night actions (only) in order, with claims (subject to further validation):

1. Seer - Inner Stickler, who state the Insomniac and the Tanner were not chosen.

2. Robber - Texcat, who switched with Johnny Bravo (the Drunk), leaving Johnny as one of the unchosen.

3. Troublemaker - if Sachertorte, he switched Mahaloth and Hooker. If Biotop, he switched Me (Prof. P). and Wolverine.

4. Drunk - was Johnny Bravo, was switched to TexCat, whose role was switched with one of the unknowns.

5. Insomniac - The Insomniac will be told what their role is after all the other Night actions. Nobody’s claimed this one yet, unless I’m mistaken.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/49 "2015-12-16T02:38:31Z")

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But…wait for it…I’m the Seer.

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**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/50 "2015-12-16T02:40:39Z")

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> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> But…wait for it…I’m the Seer.

Mmmkay…so what did you then see?

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/51 "2015-12-16T02:41:40Z")

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> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> But…wait for it…I’m the Seer.

What possible motivation would you have for claiming Seer but not telling us what you saw?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/52 "2015-12-16T02:42:45Z")

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Dramatic effect.

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**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/53 "2015-12-16T02:45:07Z")

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> [@snfaulkner](#):
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> Another couple questions for clarification, **MentalGuy**.
> 
> Can we vote whenever we like? Or is there a set time to vote?  
> If we can vote whenever, can we change votes if we needed to?

We vote secretly by PM at the end, right?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/54 "2015-12-16T02:46:16Z")

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Since we’re on a new page and this is getting way crazy:

> [@MentalGuy](#):
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> One Night Ultimate Werewolf is a game whose idea originated with the game of Werewolf (or Mafia). But instead of a series of Day/Night segments, there will be one “Night” segment where actions are taken, then one Day segment where discussion will take place, with a vote at the end. The game is much quicker than regular Werewolf, but also much lighter, with quite a bit of luck involved. If you would like to play, sign up in this thread. I can run the game with 3 or more players.  
> Rules:
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> Each player in the game will randomly and secretly be given a role from the following list. The number of roles used will be X + 3, where X is the number of players. The first X + 3 roles in the following list will be the ones used.
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> The roles:
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> 1. Werewolf
> 2. Werewolf
> 3. Villager
> 4. Villager
> 5. Robber
> 6. Troublemaker
> 7. Seer
> 8. Tanner
> 9. Hunter
> 10. Drunk
> 11. Insomniac
> 12. Villager(if only 9 players) or Mason (if 10 players)
> 13. Mason
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> (The retail game also comes with a Doppelganger and a Minion, but I will not be using those roles).  
> Since there are three more roles in the game than players, not all roles will be given out. They may come into play later, though.
> 
> Once players have been given their roles, they will then be asked to take their Night actions if they have any. Those will be the following, and while I will ask everyone to submit their actions after I have notified them of their role, they will be done in the following order.
> 
> 1. Werewolves - If both werewolves are in the game, then they will be told who each other are. If only one werewolf is in the game, then they will be told one of the roles that was not used (picked randomly).
> 
> 2. Masons - If there are Masons in the game, they will be told who each other are.
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> 3. Seer - The Seer can choose to be told what role one other player that they select was given, or they can choose to be told two roles that were not assigned.
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> 4. Robber - The robber may pick another player and switch roles with that player. The robber will be informed of what role they have received, but the other player will not be informed by me that their role has been switched.
> 
> 5. Troublemaker - The troublemaker may select two other players and have them switch roles. The other players will not be informed by me that their roles have been switched.
> 
> 6. Drunk - the Drunk will have his role switched randomly with one of the roles that was not issued to another player. He will not know what his new role is.
> 
> 7. Insomniac - The Insomniac will be told what their role is after all the other Night actions.  
> The Villagers, the Tanner, and the Hunter do not have any Night actions.  
> After all Night actions have been completed, there will be a period of discussion. At the end of that period of discussion each player will vote for one other player to be “killed”. They will vote by sending me a PM with their vote. The player with the most votes will be “killed”. If there is a tie, then all that tied will be killed, with one exception. If all players receive exactly one vote, then nobody dies. If the Hunter is killed, then the person the Hunter voted for is also killed.
> 
> Everyone except the werewolves are members of the village. The village wins if a werewolf dies. If there are no werewolves in the game, then the village wins if no one dies. If there are werewolves in the game, then the werewolves win by having none of them get killed.
> 
> Special case: If the Tanner is in the game, he hates his job and wants to die. The Tanner is a member of the village, but is not on the village team. The Tanner wins if he dies. If the Tanner dies and a werewolf dies, then the village also wins. If the Tanner dies, and no werewolves die, then the Tanner wins by himself. If there are no werewolves and the Tanner dies, he wins by himself.
> 
> Just to be clear, the action that you take in the Night phase is based on the role you are assigned by me, but your role once the Day phase begins is whatever you wind up with after all Night actions. So, you can see part of this game is not only figuring out who other are, but also figuring out which side you are on.  
> Timetable:
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> Once three players have signed up, I will give approximately one more day for anyone else who is interested to sign up. I will then assign roles and allow approximately one day for players to respond with their Night actions. Once I have processed all the Night actions, I will open the Day phase to allow discussion. I will allow approximately 4 days for the Day phase. I will then ask everyone to send me there votes and will announce the results. If you have any questions, just ask in the thread.

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**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/55 "2015-12-16T02:49:23Z")

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So on monday, our humble narrator will call for a vote (in secret), right? not just tally up the votes he’s been getting in secret all week…?

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/56 "2015-12-16T02:49:32Z")

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> [@snfaulkner](#):
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> Another couple questions for clarification, **MentalGuy**.
> 
> Can we vote whenever we like? Or is there a set time to vote?  
> If we can vote whenever, can we change votes if we needed to?

You do not vote publicly. You will PM me your votes. The deadline will be sometime Monday afternoon, but you can send me your vote before then if you would like. I will even let you change it if you decide to.

In the original game everyone votes simultaneously, but that would be hard to do here, so I am doing secret voting instead.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/57 "2015-12-16T02:50:43Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> Since we’re on a new page and this is getting way crazy:

Bear in mind that people can use different page sizes - you may have 50 but mine is set to 200. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/58 "2015-12-16T02:54:08Z")

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Right, Johnny. Thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten.

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**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/59 "2015-12-16T02:54:41Z")

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> [@MentalGuy](#):
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> You do not vote publicly. You will PM me your votes. The deadline will be sometime Monday afternoon, but you can send me your vote before then if you would like. I will even let you change it if you decide to.
> 
> In the original game everyone votes simultaneously, but that would be hard to do here, so I am doing secret voting instead.

okeedokee. Thanks. It wasn’t a major issue. Just curious.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/60 "2015-12-16T02:59:16Z")

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Try this again.

Night actions (only) in order, with claims (subject to further validation):

1. Seer - Inner Stickler, who state the Insomniac and the Tanner were not chosen. OR, Mahaloth, no extra information given.

2. Robber - Texcat, who switched with Johnny Bravo (the Drunk), leaving Johnny as one of the unchosen.

3. Troublemaker - if Sachertorte, he switched Mahaloth and Hooker. If Biotop, he switched Me (Prof. P). and Wolverine.

4. Drunk - was Johnny Bravo, was switched to TexCat, whose role was switched with one of the unknowns.

5. Insomniac - The Insomniac will be told what their role is after all the other Night actions. Nobody’s claimed this one yet, unless I’m mistaken.  
I was a Mason. Am I still one? What was Wolverine? Inquiring minds want to know!

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