# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/81 "2015-12-16T03:20:41Z")
I started off a Mason. If sachertorte’s the Troublemaker, I still am. If Biotop’s the Troublemaker, I switched with Wolverine, who was the Tanner, so I am the Tanner. Unless Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying, in which case I’m probably a Wolf. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/82 "2015-12-16T03:22:44Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I started off a Mason. > If sachertorte’s the Troublemaker, I still am. > If Biotop’s the Troublemaker, I switched with Wolverine, who was the Tanner, so I am the Tanner. > Unless Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying, in which case I’m probably a Wolf. > > Ouch. So you are saying you are either a wolf or tanner? That’s a hell of a position to be in for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/83 "2015-12-16T03:23:12Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > So you are saying you are either a wolf or tanner? That’s a hell of a position to be in for all of us. Not exactly. I could still be a Mason, if sachertorte’s the Troublemaker. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/84 "2015-12-16T03:24:19Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I’ll wait for Hooker before I answer that. I wouldn’t mind hearing from\*\* HookerChemical\*\* myself. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/85 "2015-12-16T03:24:56Z")
But wait! We (towners) only need to kill 1 wolf for victory, yes? Ok, so it’s not as a shitty proposition as I first thought. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/86 "2015-12-16T03:26:36Z")
Claimed starting roles: Inner Stickler, Seer Biotop, Troublemaker snfaulkner, Villager Prof. Pepperwinkle, Mason TexCat, Robber HookerChemical, Mason Wolverine, Tanner Mahaloth, Seer Johnny Bravo, Drunk sachertorte, Troublemaker So, it appears that there is no one started as 2nd villager or Insomniac or Hunter. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/87 "2015-12-16T03:30:12Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Claimed starting roles: > Inner Stickler, Seer > Biotop, Troublemaker > snfaulkner, Villager > Prof. Pepperwinkle, Mason > TexCat, Robber > HookerChemical, Mason > Wolverine, Tanner > Mahaloth, Seer > Johnny Bravo, Drunk > sachertorte, Troublemaker > > So, it appears that there is no one started as 2nd villager or Insomniac or Hunter. It also appears nobody started as wolf either :rolleyes: Besides wolves obviously, would any of those 3 roles need to lie about anything? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/88 "2015-12-16T03:34:11Z")
The Tanner is trying to get killed. So he might lie. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/89 "2015-12-16T03:38:04Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Besides wolves obviously, would any of those 3 roles need to lie about anything? One needs to be sure which side one is on before telling the absolute truth, no? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/90 "2015-12-16T03:41:26Z")
If Inner Stickler is telling the truth, then Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying. Plus we would have an additional liar between Sachertorte and Biotop. If Mahaloth is telling the truth, then Inner Stickler is a liar, and one of Sachertorte and Biotop. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/91 "2015-12-16T03:41:49Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > One needs to be sure which side one is on before telling the absolute truth, no? Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/92 "2015-12-16T03:49:41Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > One needs to be sure which side one is on before telling the absolute truth, no? Yes, but the Troublemaker, whether you or Sacher, should know what side you are on. Neither one of you was involved in any of the claimed switches. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/93 "2015-12-16T03:53:50Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > If Inner Stickler is telling the truth, then Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying. Plus we would have an additional liar between Sachertorte and Biotop. > > If Mahaloth is telling the truth, then Inner Stickler is a liar, and one of Sachertorte and Biotop. \*\*Inner Stickler \*\* would have to be a very lucky liar to put two roles out there that might be claimed, but have not been. Though of course the Tanner wouldn’t ever claim unless his role was switched. But the Insomniac would be more problematic. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/94 "2015-12-16T03:55:46Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Yes, but the Troublemaker, whether you or Sacher, should know what side you are on. Neither one of you was involved in any of the claimed switches. We have not heard from everyone yet. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/95 "2015-12-16T04:01:26Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > If Inner Stickler is telling the truth, then Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying. Plus we would have an additional liar between Sachertorte and Biotop. How would this work? The Tanner would be the third liar presumably but Inner Stickler says there is no Tanner role in the game (that we would know - the Drunk would be unaware). Why would a village aligned player lie? The only way it works is if Inner Stickler is the liar, Mahaloth is the seer and I was or (hopefully not) am the Tanner. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/96 "2015-12-16T04:02:24Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > \*\*Inner Stickler \*\* would have to be a very lucky liar to put two roles out there that might be claimed, but have not been. Though of course the Tanner wouldn’t ever claim unless his role was switched. But the Insomniac would be more problematic. But Wolverine did claim Tanner. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/97 "2015-12-16T04:23:15Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > BTW, I’m a villager… Ooh, you’re so wolfy! > [@Wolverine](#): > > Why would a village aligned player lie? Because there’s nothing more embarrassing than to proudly declaim that Ole So-and-So is a wolf and everyone votes but when the cards are flipped the troublemaker swapped So-and-So and Whasshername. I’m tempted to believe that Biotop is being truthful about being the troublemaker. Whether Sachertorte is trying to cover his wolfiness, playing at the tanner, or merely digging for info, I can’t decide. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/98 "2015-12-16T04:29:38Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Yes, but the Troublemaker, whether you or Sacher, should know what side you are on. Neither one of you was involved in any of the claimed switches. As long as you trust Texcat and Johnny Bravo about what happened last night. Hmm, but even so, if one did get robbed, they’d still be a robber and therefore town so alignment still checks out. Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/99 "2015-12-16T04:33:34Z")
Say you were a wolf and you could see how this game might be going to play out. The smart thing, it seems to me, would be to either get a false claim out good and early OR to lay low and claim “villager.” You would not wait to find out if your role was switched because if and when you discovered it you could always say “Hey, I WAS a wolf, which is why I lied, but now…” **Inner Stickler** ’s claim surprised me in that it came out before he could confirm his role had not been switched. But for it to be false, **IS** would have to be willing to risk another Seer appearing (one has), a Tanner who WAS switched appearing (one has) and an Isomniac appearing (one has not so far). The claim also came out before anyone could make a false claim on those roles (assuming **IS** is telling the truth). I don’t see why a wolf would dare that many contradictions in a “First Post of the Day” claim. The risk would be too great , it seems to me. Right now I believe **Inner Stickler**. But we shall see. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/100 "2015-12-16T04:37:40Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m tempted to believe that Biotop is being truthful about being the troublemaker. Whether Sachertorte is trying to cover his wolfiness, playing at the tanner, or merely digging for info, I can’t decide. No. It’s much more straightforward. Well at least to me. I falsely claimed troublemaker in an attempt to see if I could get mahaloth or hookerchemical to confess to being a werewolf. Johnny Bravo outlined the reasoning shortly after I fake claimed. Unfortunately bio top counter claimed before mahaloth or hookerchemical could respond. Looks like I might have picked a good pair too. But it also looks like biotop picked a wolf village pair too. I lied because I am the other mason and felt that prof p would be able to confirm that when I eventually confessed. Of course now prof p is suspect so, yeah. from my point of view mahaloth is a werewolf and wolverine **was** a werewolf but is now a mason. So wolverine is in a position to break to game wide open. Sorry prof p. Biotop switched you and now I think you are a werewolf. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=6)