# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/121 "2015-12-16T14:06:19Z")
I’m guessing either Biotop and Inner Stickler are wolves, or that Mahaloth and Wolverine are wolves. I’ll have at it when I’m a little more at it. Looks like I’m screwed in any case. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/122 "2015-12-16T14:07:18Z")
But why did you eliminate Mahaloth and Wolverine as a pair of wolves? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/123 "2015-12-16T14:07:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I also give decent odds to Biotop being the other wolf, but it doesn’t matter. We only need to know who one wolf is. If I am the “other wolf,” then who is the Troublemaker…and how did I know **sachertorte** was making a false claim? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/124 "2015-12-16T14:10:42Z")
Good question, but it’s completely irrelevant because we only have to know who one wolf is. It doesn’t matter what your role is because the existence of the troublemaker has nothing to do with my evidence string about Inner Stickler’s role. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/125 "2015-12-16T14:11:50Z")
We don’t actually even know if there IS a troublemaker. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/126 "2015-12-16T14:14:00Z")
Has **Hooke**** r** been Nightkilled? And, to confirm, YES,\*\* sachertorte\*\* is the other Mason. Town can at least trust him. At this point. As far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/127 "2015-12-16T14:14:32Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > But why did you eliminate Mahaloth and Wolverine as a pair of wolves? Okay, let’s start from the assumption that Inner Stickler (again, known liar) has been the tanner all along. Let’s also assume that Mahaloth and Wolverine are a wolf pair. If Mahaloth and Wolverine are a wolf pair, neither of them have any special knowledge about roles. If Mahaloth has no special knowledge about roles, he has no good reason to believe that Inner is lying.\* The only way a wolf Mahaloth knows to counterclaim Inner is if he knows that there’s no seer, and he only knows that if Wolverine is not a wolf. I’m pretty sure my thought process is bulletproof barring some extraordinary strokes of luck on certain players’ parts, like a wolf Mahaloth correctly guessing that Wolverine was the tanner. And in that case, we basically can’t win. \*this bit is worth a reread but I don’t have the time to do it just now. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/128 "2015-12-16T14:18:06Z")
I think it’s possible that Mahaloth just chose Seer as a likely claim that would be believed, especially since he had fellow wolf Wolverine to back him up. He could have been hoping that his counter-claim would get a townie Inner mis-lynched. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/129 "2015-12-16T14:19:15Z")
I’d love for Hooker to claim Seer. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/130 "2015-12-16T14:24:50Z")
Tsk, tsk, bad assumptions. I’m still planning on voting for snfaulkner. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/131 "2015-12-16T14:25:35Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I think it’s possible that Mahaloth just chose Seer as a likely claim that would be believed, especially since he had fellow wolf Wolverine to back him up. He could have been hoping that his counter-claim would get a townie Inner mis-lynched. But how would he have known to counterclaim Inner Stickler? At the time Mahaloth claimed, nobody doubted Inner’s claim. If they were both wolves, Mahaloth would have had to have deduced BOTH of the following: 1. Inner stickler was lying. 2. There is no actual seer in the game. Neither of those were apparent at the time Mahaloth claimed. But wait, there’s more. If Wolverine and Mahaloth are both wolves, then Biotop **was the troublemaker.** That would mean that Biotop did in fact switch Prof P. and Wolverine. It would mean that Wolverine **is no longer a wolf** and should be able to confirm that he and Mahaloth were scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/132 "2015-12-16T14:28:06Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I think it’s possible that Mahaloth just chose Seer as a likely claim that would be believed, especially since he had fellow wolf Wolverine to back him up. He could have been hoping that his counter-claim would get a townie Inner mis-lynched. Maybe. I’m dubious though. I would think, and admittedly, I have the benefit of a few games of this under my belt, that a better plan for a wolf mahaloth false-claiming seer would have been to pick a player who’d claimed villager earlier and name them wolf. It’s very plausible that a wolf would claim villager and Mahaloth wouldn’t need to hope that Wolverine would intuitively understand the gambit as they couldn’t plan beforehand. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/133 "2015-12-16T14:31:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > That would mean that Biotop did in fact switch Prof P. and Wolverine. It would mean that Wolverine **is no longer a wolf** and should be able to confirm that he and Mahaloth were scum. True and this is exactly what sachertorte was hoping to take advantage of with his false claim. fakeTM: I switched Wolf and Villager! Wolf: Aha, I was the wolf which means Villager now is! fakeTM: Double Aha! I never switched anyone! You’re still the wolf! Wolf: Aww, curses. A wolfy wolverine would only want to confess if he felt very sure that Biotop had indeed switched him with someone else. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/134 "2015-12-16T14:31:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If Wolverine and Mahaloth are both wolves, then Biotop **was the troublemaker.** > > That would mean that Biotop did in fact switch Prof P. and Wolverine. It would mean that Wolverine **is no longer a wolf** and should be able to confirm that he and Mahaloth were scum. Yep. I just realized that. **Wolverine** , can you confirm once again that you did not start as a wolf? If you did, you are no longer a wolf and owe no allegiance to Mahaloth. You can now win by exposing this scheme. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/135 "2015-12-16T14:43:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I think we can safely assume that we have a Tanner and two wolves. I don’t think you can assume that at all. There is no evidence that there are two wolves. At this point I have thoughts, but I don’t see the point of continuing discussion without HookerChemical. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/136 "2015-12-16T14:44:43Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Yep. I just realized that. **Wolverine** , can you confirm once again that you did not start as a wolf? If you did, you are no longer a wolf and owe no allegiance to Mahaloth. You can now win by exposing this scheme. He already did. Wolverine is sticking to the story that he was the tanner. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/137 "2015-12-16T14:51:30Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > He already did. Wolverine is sticking to the story that he was the tanner. Yes, but this game is very confusing and we want to be sure that he’s aware that if he and Mahaloth started as wolves, he no longer is one. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/138 "2015-12-16T14:56:50Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > > [@sachertorte](#): > > > > **Wolverine** , biotop is most certainly the troublemaker. He switched you and prof p. Care to enlighten us now that you win with the village? > > Yes. I was the Tanner. I had written my post in response to Prof. P calling me out for lurking (2.5 hours into the game) but was called away from my computer for only 3 minutes. I came back and posted that I was villager. Then I noticed that in those 3 minutes that Mahaloth claimed to be Seer, had asked about me, and had truthfully said I was Tanner. That’s when I posted the second post. I direct asked Wolverine with the note that Wolverine wins with the village now. Wolverine is probably sleepy time now so we will have to wait for a reconfirmation of the confirmation. For now I think running under the assumption that wolverine knows he’s switched makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/139 "2015-12-16T14:59:43Z")
If we assume that, then my first theory plays out and Inner Stickler must be a wolf. Post #119 is the concise summary of why Inner Stickler must be a wolf if Mahaloth is the seer. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/140 "2015-12-16T15:02:17Z")
Wouldn’t it be funny if I were a lone wolf and you drew the other wolf card from the unchosen roles? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500.md?page=8)