# One Night Ultimate Werewolf game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500 "2015-12-15T04:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/141 "2015-12-16T15:07:09Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Wouldn’t it be funny if I were a lone wolf and you drew the other wolf card from the unchosen roles? Heh, yeah, I’ve considered that. ☹ But even if you are a lone wolf (not guaranteed), there’s a 66% chance that I’m still town. It’s better for me to try and secure a town victory, and since I’m the one who put together the bulk of the case against you, I’ll still feel like I “won” if my theory plays out accurately. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/142 "2015-12-16T15:19:30Z")
If Inner is the lone wolf, he could have seen the Insomniac card. I’m gradually catching on. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/143 "2015-12-16T15:20:43Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > If Inner is the lone wolf, he could have seen the Insomniac card. Damnit, was just coming in to say that! It explains the claim perfectly. Inner knew that the insomniac was one. What’s his other pick? Of course it’s tanner, because **the tanner would never counterclaim**. Unless the tanner got switched by the troublemaker, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/144 "2015-12-16T15:27:57Z")
Inner “says a lot of things”. What is your current claim, IS? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/145 "2015-12-16T15:29:15Z")
Hunter. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/146 "2015-12-16T15:32:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If we assume that, then my first theory plays out and Inner Stickler must be a wolf. > > Post #119 is the concise summary of why Inner Stickler must be a wolf if Mahaloth is the seer. It would be really nice to hear from HookerChemical. But since discussing is more fun than not discussing… From the rules > [@](#): > > 1. Werewolves - If both werewolves are in the game, then they will be told who each other are. If only one werewolf is in the game, then they will be told one of the roles that was not used (picked randomly). A singleton Inner Stickler wolf is the most plausible theory I have so far. Inner Stickler probably was given the information that the insomniac was not in the game. That set up the seer claim of insomniac/tanner not being in the game. At the time, it would have been unlikely that the real tanner would counterclaim Inner Sticker since the real tanner would want to keep that info secret. It’s only by chance that the Tanner was both investigated by the real seer AND switched by the Troublemaker to make a truthful claim plausible\*. What I can’t reconcile is why didn’t Inner Stickler simply claim Insomniac. Hmmm. I have more thoughts. But I’m keeping that one secret, tricksy Inner Sticker. - Seriously, what is up with that? This is an extraordinary coincidence. Almost unbelievable if you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/147 "2015-12-16T15:36:05Z")
Claiming as insomniac is tricky because the insomniac knows if his role got switched. So if he claimed insomniac and then Biotop says, “wait a minute, I switched you and wolverine - you should have known that your role changed,” we know he was lying. If he waits to claim insomniac until after the robber and troublemaker have revealed, it’s too convenient a claim to be fully plausible (and he’d still have to know what his new role is in those cases, so he’d have to wait for even more claims). If Inner has been town this whole time and has been stringing us along with lies, he’s basically doomed us all and we lose. I don’t think that’s the case, though. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/148 "2015-12-16T15:36:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If Inner has been town this whole time and has been stringing us along with lies, he’s basically doomed us all and we lose. I don’t think that’s the case, though. ONUW may not be for you. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/149 "2015-12-16T15:38:39Z")
We seem to be converging in thoughts. So much for keeping my thoughts secret. I was looking at the player list and the conspicuous missing role is Hunter. Hunter gets to shoot again and possibly win for the village by taking out a werewolf. It makes sense if Inner Stickler feels he will be in a better position to choose a werewolf unilaterally rather than trying to rely on a secret vote. Democracy is great and all that, but sometimes a little dictatorship is needed to get the job done. I’m going to vote for Inner Stickler. If he is still lying, then he is a werewolf and we win. If Inner Sticker is truthful, then he is the hunter and will shoot someone else to try and kill a werewolf, which should be either snfaulker or HookerChemical by my estimation. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/150 "2015-12-16T15:40:09Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > ONUW may not be for you. I think I’m doing pretty well, actually. Your Hunter claim doesn’t explain away your astonishingly lucky shot-in-the-dark that there was no Insomniac in the game. I’ve got no intention of banking the entire game on those slim odds. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/151 "2015-12-16T15:43:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I think I’m doing pretty well, actually. Your Hunter claim doesn’t explain away your astonishingly lucky shot-in-the-dark that there was no Insomniac in the game. > > I’ve got no intention of banking the entire game on those slim odds. How are we ‘banking the game’ on Inner Sticker being the hunter or not? We vote for inner stickler regardless of his role at this point. We know Inner Stickler is NOT the tanner so voting to kill Inner Stickler is exact what IS wants because he’s the hunter. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/152 "2015-12-16T15:46:10Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > How are we ‘banking the game’ on Inner Sticker being the hunter or not? I’m saying that he’s only the hunter if he made a decision to fake a claim and got incredibly lucky with his guess. But yeah, I’m fine with voting for him and letting him take his shot as the “hunter.” Why not? It’s the same vote that I’m going to make anyway. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/153 "2015-12-16T15:52:53Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I’m saying that he’s only the hunter if he made a decision to fake a claim and got incredibly lucky with his guess. He wanted to get caught. He probably also wanted a wolf to catch him and really press for the vote against him. It’s a shame that the game progressed without HookerChemical. IS will have to choose between snfaulkner and HookerChemical without much information. I guess he could shoot Johnny Bravo too, but that seems like a low probability play. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/154 "2015-12-16T15:56:41Z")
-----------------------Starting Roles-------------------Current Roles Inner Stickler-------Hunter---------------------------Hunter Biotop---------------Troublemaker-------------------Troublemaker snfaulkner----------Villager(But I still think wolf)-Villager(bistw) Prof. Pepperwinkle-Mason----------------------------Tanner Texcat---------------Robber-------------------------- Drunk HookerChemical----?----------------------------------? Wolverine-----------Tanner---------------------------Mason Mahaloth------------Seer------------------------------Seer Johnny Bravo-------Drunk----------------------------? Sachertorte---------Mason----------------------------Mason Werewolf Werewolf Villager Insomniac ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/155 "2015-12-16T15:58:41Z")
Assuming no one is lying still. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/156 "2015-12-16T16:03:41Z")
One thing that gnaws at me is Biotop. I’m fairly certain he is who he says he is, but I have a worried feeling that he’s a wolf who knew I was lying because he knew troublemaker was one of the unclaimed roles. Everyone else on my do not lynch list has another player to verify role/power. But Biotop is purely left out because of an uncontested claim. There is no cross verification. TexCat is power verified by JB AND has an uncontested claim. Therefore village. Prof P and sachertorte cross verify each other AND have uncontested claims. Therefore village. Mahaloth and Wolverine cross verify each other AND have uncontested claims. Therefore village. That leaves: Inner Stickler Biotop snfaulker HookerChemical Johnny Bravo Inner Sticker is playing to get lynched, so hunter makes sense there. Johnny Bravo is subject to random draw, so isn’t a good choice. Possible Wolves: Biotop snfaulker HookerChemical ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/157 "2015-12-16T16:08:10Z")
I will laugh if there are no werewolves and everyone is going to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/158 "2015-12-16T16:10:29Z")
It’s happened before. One of the most vicious games I played in the roles ended up being robber, troublemaker, seer and tanner. Wooee, did that get vehement. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/159 "2015-12-16T16:11:24Z")
If none of y’all are werewolves then I have a 33% chance of winning! After some further thought I see the value of a lying Hunter, but it’s still a strong case against Inner Stickler. If he’s the Hunter, then he was extraordinarily _unlucky_ to have picked Insomniac as one of his claims. Either way, I don’t see how there’s much more data that can be gleaned. Hooker still needs to come back to the thread. I’ll be voting for Inner Stickler barring some sort of monumental shift in what we know. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-night-ultimate-werewolf-game/740500/160 "2015-12-16T16:20:28Z")
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