I have some vague ideas about a couple of things he may or may not be getting at, but I’d like him to come out and explain his position rather than trying to carry on an intelligent GD discussion in which the most important points are conveyed solely through winks and nudges. I don’t know whether WB:
Thinks an OWG is a certain sign of the coming of the Antichrist,
Thinks an OWG would be opening the door to the possible coming of the Antichrist,
Thinks OWG is a way for Communists to outlaw Christianity (not necessarily the same as #1 or #2.)
Hi Opal!
Something about Jews
Etc. etc.
Even if 1 or 2 is the case, we still don’t know why WB would oppose the events that would lead to the Second Coming of Christ.
Thank you LNO and Dogsbody for filling in what I believe to Ben. And you are both correct. The reason for the coyness Dogsbody was to keep this a thread more on how and when a one world gov’t could come about and not end of the world argument. Because I think alot of people would like to have OWG that are not Christian or Satanist just people that like to be ruled by other people because they can’t think for themselves.
And ben I will get back to your questions later. But just one for you how was I acting unChristian like(which I have done in the past but I don’t think I did in this thread)?
I will answer this one before I leave(fixing to walk the door)the reason I oppose the one world govt as much as I would like to go on to Heaven and to be with the Lord is to give people like yourself more time to find Christ so you can be saved too.
Putting aside a catastrophe, technology advances will have no effect on how long it takes people to sit down and negotiate something as massive and complex as a OWG. Maybe the people who negotiated the Euro couldn’t have video conferences, but they still could speak (almost) instanteously by telephone, and it still took them quite a while.
While I’m at it, I see the catastrophe scenario (less’n it was aliens) as making OWG less likely. International communications would be severely affected, resources needed at home wouldn’t be wasted on international flights, shipping, etc. A world-wide catastrophe would much more likely result in the Balkanization of existing states, as people concentrated on keeping their families/local communities going, rather than caring about the outside world.
Gotta a question for ya - do you consider a OWG inherently evil, or inherently something that would be used by the Anti-Christ? Would you have objections to a OWG if it came about by each nation on Earth petitioning Congress to become a new state of the U.S.?
Huh? If someone wants a OWG, how does that imply that they can’t think for themselves?
I didn’t say you did it in this thread. And, as you well know, there are a couple of other threads in which I have criticised your behavior within the last week or so.
I mean, c’mon. The mother ship comes into range, the pods start dropping and then what? The nuclear powers say, “hey, we gotta consolidate our power over Mauritania and the Balkans so’s we can beat these guys?”
Nah. Even then, we create an ad-hoc coalition of big shot militaries like we did for the Gulf war, kick some E.T. ass and then go back to our squabbling.
The so-called “antichrist” of Revelation was the Roman emperor Nero. The numerical value of “Nero Caesar” is 666. The “myth of Nero’s return” was a belief held in some early Christian communities, and obviously effected the author of Revelation.
The problem that occurs very often with apocalyptic writings is that people read them and impose all sorts of absurd allegories on the text–allegories that the reader has concocted in their own mind. That’s why some pseudo-scholars would have us belief that the books of Revelation and Daniel are full of visions of helicopters, napalm, and nuclear holocaust…and of course, some evil charismatic genius who wants to implant computer chips in all our butts.
The fact is that much of what passes for “bible prophecy” literature in fundamentalist circles is hardly more intellectually honest than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and other such fantasies.
Aaah the end of times! The biggest contradiction to me is that in other situations the devil is cunning smart and devious. But in the case of the end of times we never ponder that the devil has read revelation and the SDMB If the devil is smart, he will do everything to not behave like the “end of times” prophesies say that he will do.
Coming back to the OWG: the International corporations love conservatives more than Jesus loves them.
Only by ignoring the abuses of the international corporations one can stand tall to oppose any worldwide government regulations.
No, that’s not what I said. What I said is, that the UN right now has enough on its plate and is having a hard enough time accomplishing their goals. They aren’t capable of OWG.
Bill-WHAT would come next? I don’t know what comes next, and what does a One World Government mean in Christianity?
Wildest…you are so interesting.
Yet lovable.
Questions
1: Have you been reading Texe Marrs lately?
2: Are you a Native American?(when will happen?)
note: I am Not making fun of native americans here.
-I’m not surprised Nero would be described as the anti-Christ, he was one bloody bastard.
-Bill, do you even know what NATO was set up to do?
-I’m getting that urge to bang my head against the keys again…EORJ#)(EUV)POJ)EWRL$#MO$(*F)IJW#PORU) Mlkewiroe
-In my opinion, there is no way it could be managed right now. The US itself has enough problems in its own country. Russia hasn’t had its shit together in decades. The Balkans are a mess. The world is totally unorganized. My opinion is, you would need some SERIOUS organization and set ups before OWG is even remotely possible, and I don’t see that happening right now.
HOWEVER…I do think a loose coalition of nations, like the UN is a GOOD thing. It keeps countries in line-it’s to prevent more Napoleons and Hitlers and such. Of course it doesn’t always work. That doesn’t mean, however, we shouldn’t try.
Actually, you’re giving the Israeli political spectrum short shrift. You also have the Israeli hardcore Left, which is willing to give the Palestinians most anything they want, including East Jerusalem, reperations and a limited Right of Return. Remember, Israelis are perhaps the most political people on the planet, meaning they talk politics even when it’s not an election year, and you can find an incredibly varied selection of opinions - from the lunatic left (atavistic communists and national guiltmongers) to the lunatic right (racist militants and messianic nutjobs like those weirdos who want to blow up the Dome of the Rock).
You know the saying that whenever you have three Jews, you have four opinions? Try living in a Jewish country.
MacDavid’s was a seventies gimmick which never really cought on. There are maybe three branches left in the country. McDonald’s, on the other hand, opened shop about eight years ago, and is wildly popular. You can find one in every mall (Israelis love malls, mainly because of the AC), and handburgers are slowly pushing aside falafel as Israelis’ favorite junk food, at least in your more middle class locations.
You got one thing right, though - Israel is the only place in the world where you can find a fully kosher McD, although not all of the are. Basically, they just don’t serve milkshakes, bacon and cheeseburgers.
I hope no one will mind if I avoid the burgeoning debate here and directly address the OP. I think there will be no OWG in the forseeable future, for reasons others have more eloquently stated.
As for the unforeseeable future…well, my WAG is that someday far in the future there will be a OWG…but it will not be nearly as significant as it would be if it happened today, because at that time a majority of the human race will not be living on Earth. They will be on other planets/space colonies/Dyson Spheres/whatever.
All of the lunatic fringe groups like the Taliban will have emigrated off Earth, to get their own lebensraum, or practice their religions without interference from the infidels, or whatever. Society on Earth will have become homogenous, and the idea of uniting into one government will have become uncontroversial.
When it happens, few people off Earth will know or care about it. And there will never ever be a single government, like in Asimov’s Foundation, or Dune, that encompasses the entire human race.
Michael Palin does these travel TV programs and I saw one following the footsteps of Hemingway. So he is in Cuba and he interviews the skipper who used to take Hemingway fishing. The man is 100 years old (really). When asked about the USA he tells Michael Palin that in 10 or 20 years there will be a big war where Cuba with the help of other communist countries will defeat the USA. Michael Palin asks him straightfaced if he really believed that and the man said “of course I do”. Poor man, in his universe that would be realistically probable. Not that he is senile or anything…
Here we have our Dearest Wildest Bill. In his universe it is realistically probable that the UN will proclaim itself world government in the next 10 to 20 years and enslave the world. That will be a sure sign for the christians to do something, I am not sure what.
It would be interesting to put the old skipper and Wild “Christian” Bill together and see what conclusion they came to.
Forgive me if I cannot discuss this seriously. In my book it is more probable that frogs will grow hair and extraterrestrials would inject some common sense into certain people.
But if a world government does come to happen in the next 10 to 20 years, I ask first dibs to be president of the world and I promise you all that I will be a benevolent dictator and will be nice to all of you, even Wildest “Crazy” Bill.
I bet you get alot of stares while walking your door down the road…
If the devil is smart, he will do everything to not behave like the “end of times” prophesies say that he will do.