# One year later, "Sith" still sucks \*open spoilers\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 18, 2006, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121 "2006-06-18T00:19:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121/81 "2006-06-19T23:47:10Z")
[QUOTE=MGibson] I just saw the Empire Strikes Back a few months ago and came to the exact opposite conclusion. If that was the only movie I had to judge Harrison Ford I would have thought he was terrible. Even the actors thought the dialogue in the first Star Wars movie was terrible and that they were making a turkey. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] “‘I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board.’ Who _talks_ like that?” [/QUOTE] In defense of the dialogue in the initial three **Star Wars** films (especially the first one), it was mostly meant to be campy. In fact, for me the one thing that was sorely missing from the last set of **Star Wars** movies was this tongue-in-cheek “let’s-not-try-to-take-this-all-too-seriously” tone. In the 16 years between **Return of the Jedi** and **The Phantom Menace** , Lucas apparently let himself get brainwashed by the hardcore \*\*Star Wars \*\* ubernerds into thinking his movies were philosophical quasi-religious tracts instead of an entertaining way to spend a few hours. As a result, we get the mostly sonorous tone of the last three SW films in which what few attempts at light moments end up being intrusive and annoying (e.g., any scene with a certain CGI character with a repeating first and second name). ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121/82 "2006-06-20T00:02:30Z")
[QUOTE=Eonwe] The Jedi were the most unwise ‘wise men’ I’ve ever seen in a movie ever. Very frustrating. [/QUOTE] Yeah, it’s almost like a thousand generations in the driver’s seat will make one complacent or something! > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I agree with many of your criticisms, but I think here you’re actually not giving Lucas enough credit. It’s possible that I’m just making this interpretation up, but I think that what happened in that scene is that Obi-Wan knew that Annakin wasn’t at any real disadvantage. But he also knew that Annakin’s greatest weakness was his hubris, his need to be better than everyone at everything. So he basically taunted Annakin into trying to come straight at him, up the high ground, rather than stopping to think for a moment and realize he could just go upstream a bit and hop out there or something. Instead, Annakin tried to jump all the way over Obi-Wan just to show how badass he was, and that gave Obi-Wan the window he needed. Ding! Check out the original thread from last year where I spelled this one out. “I’ll be you can’t jump over me. Nah nah. You’re not poweful enough.” “I’ll show you! I’m the bestest Jedi ever!” ZZAP! > [@jsc1953](#): > > This seems like a good place to ask a question that just popped into my head after lo these many years: did Darth Vader ever realize that he had a daughter? It seems like the fact that Padme was carrying twins was completely a surprise to everyone not actually in the delivery room. I don’t think Vader knew until he picked it out of Luke’s brain on the second Death Star. > [@Menocchio](#): > > “See the blood on the handle? That’s from the children he slaughtered with it. A more elegant weapon for a more civilized age.” Fuck, that was funny! 🙂 > [@HubZilla](#): > > Yoda: “Wars not make one great… but seen me you should’ve during the Clones Wars. Kicked ass, I did.” And what good did it do anyone? …Exactly. > [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Technology must’ve advanced quite a bit in one generation if they were able to build another in a matter of months for Episode VI. The other way, of course, and you’d be complaining about how stupid they were for not having a backup in the works. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121/83 "2006-06-20T00:03:47Z")
[QUOTE=NDP] In defense of the dialogue in the initial three **Star Wars** films (especially the first one), it was mostly meant to be campy. In fact, for me the one thing that was sorely missing from the last set of **Star Wars** movies was this tongue-in-cheek “let’s-not-try-to-take-this-all-too-seriously” tone. In the 16 years between **Return of the Jedi** and **The Phantom Menace** , Lucas apparently let himself get brainwashed by the hardcore \*\*Star Wars \*\* ubernerds into thinking his movies were philosophical quasi-religious tracts instead of an entertaining way to spend a few hours. As a result, we get the mostly sonorous tone of the last three SW films in which what few attempts at light moments end up being intrusive and annoying (e.g., any scene with a certain CGI character with a repeating first and second name). [/QUOTE] Again, right on the money. Finally people are starting to notice the real, deeper cinematic reasons why the prequels sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121/84 "2006-06-20T04:34:53Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] sense of wonder than any other director I know. [/QUOTE] Why is “sense of wonder”? Is that like a frickin’ Sith lightsaber, man? ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121/85 "2006-06-21T05:03:03Z")
While we’re on the “Jedi are stupid” track, let me ask something. Why were the Jedi so obsessed about “bringing balance to the Force”? There were at least a few hundred Jedi and, like, two Sith that they knew about. What part of “bringing balance” sounded like it would benefit _them_ any? (Ironically, of course, Anakin did bring balance to the Force…by wiping out all but two of the Jedi.) ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121/86 "2006-06-21T07:16:12Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] “He (Luke’s father) was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior…well, he never actually was a member of any military organization. But he won a pod race once when he was a kid.” [/QUOTE] To be fair, Anakin certainly seemed to be a Commander in the Army of the Republic during the Clone Wars, which is also where much of star-fighting prowess was demonstrated. It’s possible (I haven’t read any of the books which might elaborate on this or not) that the ranks we see Jedi using (Commander Skywalker, General Kenobi) might actually be ranks within the Jedi order to denote seniority in battle, and the fact that they were leading Republic troops wasn’t directly related to that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/one-year-later-sith-still-sucks-open-spoilers/361121.md?page=4)