# OnlyFans bans porn **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 24, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407 "2021-08-24T01:29:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/21 "2021-08-24T16:24:19Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Dear lord, I’m out of it. Patreon? I’ll google. I’ve been a backer on Patreon for a few years, for several RPG writers and sci-fi illustrators. One pledges a monthly payment to the creator, in return for receiving some manner of exclusive content or perks from the creator (early access to material, etc., custom illustrations, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/22 "2021-08-24T16:32:51Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > > [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > > > Fuck TERFs and fuck Christians. > > Huh? Is this a non-sequitur? No, TERFs and Christians tend to be unusual allies. Both oppose porn and oppose trans athletes in girl’s sports, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/23 "2021-08-24T16:38:01Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Dear lord, I’m out of it. Patreon? I’ll google. Patreon is an online service that lets people donate money (usually in monthly payments) to people and organizations they wish to support. This message board is an example of the kind of organization that would have a Patreon account. People who enjoy having the SDMB around would be able to pay something like a dollar a month and the SDMB would receive the money (minus Patreon’s 5% cut) to stay in business. You often receive some minor benefit for your support. For example, I support Rich Burlew via Patreon. As a benefit, I get to see his new webcomic strips a day before he posts them online. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/24 "2021-08-24T16:46:19Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > No, TERFs and Christians tend to be unusual allies. Both oppose porn and oppose trans athletes in girl’s sports, for instance. But, unless I missed something in one of the links, neither has anything to do with this particular ban, do they? ---
**Author:** ![Limmin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Limmin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Limmin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/25 "2021-08-24T18:34:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Dear lord, I’m out of it. Patreon? I’ll google. Right. I see a lot of good content on YouTube, and one way the content gets this good is if the provider is being paid…and it is often via direct payment through the likes of Patreon. You’ll hear YouTubers mentioning their Patreon page both in the video voiceover and in the description, which can contain links. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/26 "2021-08-24T21:16:33Z")
Here’s a twitter thread that gpes into some detail. It can be a little difficult to navigate without an account, but it’s doable. [https://twitter.com/postcultrev/status/1428584131835748359?fbclid=IwAR0Ku\_7mW7w-LrFZPFvcLpC95yhC8y0lpn88kyvKvzSmka6-b5kVbGfV03I](https://twitter.com/postcultrev/status/1428584131835748359?fbclid=IwAR0Ku_7mW7w-LrFZPFvcLpC95yhC8y0lpn88kyvKvzSmka6-b5kVbGfV03I) ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/27 "2021-08-24T22:13:03Z")
I am conflicted with regards to sex workers. I have some views: A. Sex is a perfectly normal human activity. If consenting adults want to exchange money for it, so be it. Sex is not dirty or sinful. Much like marijuana, legalize it and regulate it. B. Despite A, sex work is often, or almost always coercive. Physical violence or economic coercion. Human trafficking is a real concern. C. I think the credit card companies, which some think are the villain here, are actually doing the right thing. Regulate. Verify you aren’t putting any underage people in danger. D. OnlyFans seems to be a way to balance A and B. Nice safe environment where a person can of their own free will choose to be a sex worker. E. People can still be coerced into having a OnlyFans account. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/28 "2021-08-24T23:07:25Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I read that it was the credit card companies that forced the change. It’s interesting that they are driving this. I doubt they would be doing so through corporate prudishness. I suspect they are worried about having some sort of deemed criminal or civil culpability if there is illegal activity on websites that use their payment system. > [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > It’s likely related to the [SESTA-FOSTA act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_Act). Payment processors have a lot to lose if they can be found to have facilitated sex trafficking, even indirectly. So they push hard requirements onto the sex industry, which of course can’t make the kind of guarantees the payment processors want. So these companies either lose the ability to accept payments or ban any kind of sex work. True enough, as far as it goes – and yet, oddly enough, the CC companies are NOT going after the really big fish, like Facebook. It’s hard to find good sources, but what little I can find is fairly clear that Facebook has far more of a problem with sex trafficking, child porn, etc., than any of the sexually-oriented websites. About the only sexually-oriented website that might have had more of a problem was Backpage – and a lot of law enforcement actually liked having Backpage around, because it sort of naturally collected a lot of the bad actors into one convenient location. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/29 "2021-08-24T23:20:45Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Are Only Fans porn content providers legitimate sex workers who have been screwed over by Only Fans? Or what? Yes, they are. I have a couple of friends who work in that industry. Onlyfans took a very large percentage of their income, but they did, at least, pay what they said they would pay. Changing platforms is difficult. They know Onlyfans will die due to this change, but it’s not going to benefit the legit sex work providers either. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/30 "2021-08-24T23:26:22Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > This is terrible. It’s forcing women to go back to $7.00 an hour jobs at Applebees where they’ll be more sexually harassed than they were doing their own cam shows. Fuck TERFs and fuck Christians. I don’t think TERFs had anything to do with it. There are wide-ranging attitudes towards porn within radical feminism. I’m sure you could find TERFs who hate all porn, but there are also TRAs who hate all porn, because people who are Trans Rights Activists also have a wide range of views. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/31 "2021-08-25T03:07:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Agreed. I wasn’t even aware there were parts of OnlyFans that weren’t porn. Nor was I. Every single tweet that contained “OnlyFans,” before I got sick of seeing retweeted content about it and muted the words, was about porn/sex work. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/32 "2021-08-25T03:08:14Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > I don’t think TERFs had anything to do with it. I just assumed it was a typo. The term I’ve heard is SWERF (sex worker ERF). ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/33 "2021-08-25T04:22:26Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > True enough, as far as it goes – and yet, oddly enough, the CC companies are NOT going after the really big fish, like Facebook. It’s hard to find good sources, but what little I can find is fairly clear that Facebook has far more of a problem with sex trafficking, child porn, etc., than any of the sexually-oriented websites. Firstly Facebook is free to the public so their business model doesn’t rely on CC companies. Secondly, a lot of people talk a lot of shit about Facebook. Don’t get me wrong it’s a terrible service that I use only because some of my international friends are on it and it’s a way to keep up with their news. But it has become the whipping boy for everything by reason of its ubiquity, and there are people out there who are prepared to blame it for everything wrong with the world. Based on my experience of reporting concerning Facebook, I would be very skeptical of the allegation it has a notably bad (or notably culpable) problem with sex trafficking etc. As an example, there was a common media story where I am a year or so ago, the tone of which was that Facebook was “pedophile central”, based something like 70 or 80% of all reports to police about underage porn coming from Facebook. Most of the reports didn’t bother to mention (or buried in the final para that no one reads) the fact that > - the figures were absolute not relative meaning a large site like Facebook stood out simply because of its overwhelming size, even if it was very “clean” relatively speaking; and > - _Facebook was the only internet entity that had systems in place to notify and scrub such things!_. In other words, their own good efforts were being used to damn them. > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > C. I think the credit card companies, which some think are the villain here, are actually doing the right thing. Regulate. Verify you aren’t putting any underage people in danger. The CC companies gotta do what they gotta do to protect themselves from the effect of relevant legislation. So I don’t seem them as a “villain”. But the problem with such legislation is that it is not possible for porn sites to “verify they aren’t putting any underage people in danger”. It’s an impossible test. And probably designed that way. Imagine if every publicly available service was culpable unless it could verify it wasn’t being used for criminal activity. Phone companies. Roads. Public transport. Photocopying companies. The sex industry is subject to punitive standards because a large part of the population would like to see it shut down anyway, and the other part are embarrassed to defend it. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/34 "2021-08-25T13:28:25Z")
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**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/35 "2021-08-25T15:34:58Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > This is terrible. It’s forcing women to go back to $7.00 an hour jobs at Applebees where they’ll be more sexually harassed than they were doing their own cam shows. Fuck TERFs and fuck Christians. That isn’t what TERF means. TERF is a problem specifically inimical against trans people. Please don’t use it outside of its proper meaning. Trans woman and sex worker are not synonymous, despite stereotypes. Not all trans women are sex workers. Me, for instance. I’ve never done sex work. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/36 "2021-08-25T17:27:44Z")
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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/37 "2021-08-25T18:48:57Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > I don’t think TERFs had anything to do with it. There are wide-ranging attitudes towards porn within radical feminism. I’m sure you could find TERFs who hate all porn, but there are also TRAs who hate all porn, because people who are Trans Rights Activists also have a wide range of views. TERFs are a special type of radical feminist, though. They tend to be stuck on older ideas of feminism, and then have expanded those ideas to the point where they hurt others. So I would expect there to be more overlap between SWERFs and TERFs that there are trans activists and anti-porn activists. This also aligns with my experience. On Reddit, the TERFs have a subreddit called /r/GenderCritical. And it is posters who post there who I have seen try to argue that all pornography is coercive. The way Reddit is set up, if your idea isn’t popular with at least half of the people involved, it will wind up downvoted (with a negative score). But these comments were heavily upvoted (thus a high positive score). Sure, not all of them agreed, but that does suggest the overlap I mentioned. I also find it really weird that we keep referring to this as “sex work,” BTW. To me, that term implies something more than videoing yourself in sexual situations or having sex on camera. That’s just porn. It’s not as if OnlyFans was being used to facilitate prostitution, AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/38 "2021-08-25T19:03:18Z")
> [@Limmin](#): > > You’ll hear YouTubers mentioning their Patreon page both in the video voiceover and in the description, which can contain links. About two years ago YouTube made some changes in the way they calculate the providers’ payouts and most of the prolific ones took a big hit. There were a log of complaints at the time and then all of the Patreon mentions started coming up. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/39 "2021-08-25T19:16:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > TERFs are a special type of radical feminist, though. They tend to be stuck on older ideas of feminism, and then have expanded those ideas to the point where they hurt others. So I would expect there to be more overlap between SWERFs and TERFs that there are trans activists and anti-porn activists. Yeah, I almost posted something similar yesterday, but got distracted with some IRL stuff and didn’t get back to it. TERF doesn’t _inherently_ mean anti-porn, but the overlap in that Venn diagram is pretty damn close to a circle. > [@BigT](#): > > I also find it really weird that we keep referring to this as “sex work,” BTW. To me, that term implies something more than videoing yourself in sexual situations or having sex on camera. That’s just porn. It’s not as if OnlyFans was being used to facilitate prostitution, AFAIK. I think sex work is a larger categorization that can include prostitution, porn, bdsm services, etc. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407/40 "2021-08-25T20:00:24Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > I also find it really weird that we keep referring to this as “sex work,” BTW. To me, that term implies something more than videoing yourself in sexual situations or having sex on camera. That’s just porn. It’s not as if OnlyFans was being used to facilitate prostitution, AFAIK. > > I think sex work is a larger categorization that can include prostitution, porn, bdsm services, etc. Sure, porn is a type of sex work. It just seems odd to me to use that word when we’re only talking about porn and not the others. Perhaps the goal is to point out that they’re all in the same class, and thus the other stuff shouldn’t be illegal, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/onlyfans-bans-porn/949407.md?page=3)