# Ooh, Baby, you are so talented... and they are SO dumb! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 1, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001 "2013-02-01T03:41:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/1 "2013-02-01T03:41:51Z")
[http://m24digital.com/en/2013/01/29/pastor-claimed-his-penis-had-been-anointed-with-the-holy-spirit-divine-semen-and-raped-his-faithful/](http://m24digital.com/en/2013/01/29/pastor-claimed-his-penis-had-been-anointed-with-the-holy-spirit-divine-semen-and-raped-his-faithful/) A pastor convinced members of his flock to give him headjobs to obtain his divine semen. Blazing Saddles is more plausible than real life. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/2 "2013-02-01T15:35:13Z")
Yeah, he raped a bunch of people. I can’t really get to the point of laughing about that. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/3 "2013-02-01T15:45:00Z")
I’m not completely persuaded that the acts described are rape. If Adam, an adult, tells Betty, also an adult, that ingesting his semen will confer God’s blessings, and Betty then engages in oral sex with him, I don’t believe a crime has been committed. What am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![Xune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/c37758/32.png) [@Xune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xune)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/4 "2013-02-01T15:48:45Z")
Hah! But seriously, it isn’t rape if you tell someone to do something, and they do it of their own free will. It’s their own fault that they would possibly believe you have to give head to go to heaven. Straight up stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/5 "2013-02-01T15:57:45Z")
Y’know, one would think even the poor and uneducated know that something’s not right when it involves “holy semen”. Even in places with the notion of “rape by deception” in the books there are standards of what a reasonable person would do. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/6 "2013-02-01T16:09:39Z")
Isn’t there a “rape by fraud” thing on the books? Getting people into the sack via fraudulent means? ---
**Author:** ![Xune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/c37758/32.png) [@Xune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xune)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/7 "2013-02-01T16:12:15Z")
Yeah, but as far as I know, such a thing only exists in a few places, and most of them are in the States As far as most people are concerned, it isn’t rape unless there is a use of force. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/8 "2013-02-01T16:47:27Z")
Is the threat of eternal damnation considered coercion? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/9 "2013-02-01T17:04:14Z")
> [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > Isn’t there a “rape by fraud” thing on the books? Getting people into the sack via fraudulent means? Yes, there is. But as a general principle, those statutes don’t reach this kind of conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/10 "2013-02-01T17:24:25Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > [http://m24digital.com/en/2013/01/29/pastor-claimed-his-penis-had-been-anointed-with-the-holy-spirit-divine-semen-and-raped-his-faithful/](http://m24digital.com/en/2013/01/29/pastor-claimed-his-penis-had-been-anointed-with-the-holy-spirit-divine-semen-and-raped-his-faithful/) > > A pastor convinced members of his flock to give him headjobs to obtain his divine semen. Blazing Saddles is more plausible than real life. Ha, I’ve actually seen variations on this as a premise in an occasional pornographic parody. I don’t think anyone would put it in "serious fiction, it’s one of those situations that if written into a serious fictional work people would just roll their eyes and call it unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/11 "2013-02-01T17:30:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m not completely persuaded that the acts described are rape. > > If Adam, an adult, tells Betty, also an adult, that ingesting his semen will confer God’s blessings, and Betty then engages in oral sex with him, I don’t believe a crime has been committed. > > What am I missing? Most experts believe rape is more about power than about sex. If you are coercing sex by exercising your influence over someone who is gullible enough to buy it, I think perhaps it enters into some sort of gray area. A jury may not buy it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/12 "2013-02-01T17:35:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m not completely persuaded that the acts described are rape. > > If Adam, an adult, tells Betty, also an adult, that ingesting his semen will confer God’s blessings, and Betty then engages in oral sex with him, I don’t believe a crime has been committed. > > What am I missing? I think he’s guilty of Mopery. or Dopery. But then I’m not a law-talking person, so I must be pretty dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/13 "2013-02-01T17:35:14Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Most experts believe rape is more about power than about sex. If you are coercing sex by exercising your influence over someone who is gullible enough to buy it, I think perhaps it enters into some sort of gray area. A jury may not buy it, though. Forget the jury – I’m suggesting that as a matter of law, merely being gullible is insufficient to sustain the charge. In other words, this never gets to a jury. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/14 "2013-02-01T17:51:29Z")
I just want to note that this took place in Brazil, not the US. He was arrested and had to post bail, and the article quotes him as saying he hopes to continue his work in prison. So, maybe prison time for this kind of thing is the rule there? Or, maybe this is a badly-translated parody article? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/15 "2013-02-01T18:22:35Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Most experts believe rape is more about power than about sex. That’s primarily an ideological claim not a factual one. > [@Bayard](#): > > Or, maybe this is a badly-translated parody article? I’ve heard people claim that on another forum. It’s hard to check when you don’t speak the language. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/16 "2013-02-01T18:43:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Forget the jury – I’m suggesting that as a matter of law, merely being gullible is insufficient to sustain the charge. In other words, this never gets to a jury. Well, if the person is so gullible that they’re incapable of denying consent, then AFAIK, in most jurisdictions, that’s rape. Examples include mentally disabled adults, and people under influence of drugs (children are a part of this category that are typically given their own category by statute, but it’s for the same general idea). ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/17 "2013-02-01T18:47:49Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > Well, if the person is so gullible that they’re incapable of denying consent, then AFAIK, in most jurisdictions, that’s rape. Examples include mentally disabled adults, and people under influence of drugs (children are a part of this category that are typically given their own category by statute, but it’s for the same general idea). What if they’re just really stupid? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/18 "2013-02-01T18:48:29Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > Well, if the person is so gullible that they’re incapable of denying consent, then AFAIK, in most jurisdictions, that’s rape. Examples include mentally disabled adults, and people under influence of drugs (children are a part of this category that are typically given their own category by statute, but it’s for the same general idea). Or they could just be small-town folks, simple hard working people, the salt of the earth, you know… morons. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/19 "2013-02-01T20:22:47Z")
> [@](#): > > he had an encounter with Jesus in a brothel Aahhh, honey, I’m going out for a while. I’m going to, aahhh, go find Jesus. Why yes, honey, I do think I know where to look. 😉 I’m thinking the Brazilian version of “The Onion” ---
**Author:** ![Mrs.Cake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@Mrs.Cake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs.Cake)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooh-baby-you-are-so-talented-and-they-are-so-dumb/649001/20 "2013-02-01T21:09:04Z")
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