# Ooooooh... Kyle's mom's a bitch **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 22, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075 "2015-12-22T05:56:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/1 "2015-12-22T05:56:42Z")
[Kindergarten Trip to Visit Santa Canceled After Mom Complains, Parents Stage Walkout](http://news.yahoo.com/kindergarten-trip-to-visit-santa-1326217319448630.html) > [@](#): > > The trip was canceled after one class mother, Talia (who has withheld her last name from the media), complained that the tradition was exclusive of other religions, which don’t believe in Santa or celebrate Christmas. Totally reminded me of the _South Park_ episode ‘Mr. Hankey, The Christmas Poo’. I don’t want religious activities in school, but Santa Claus is pretty secular. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/2 "2015-12-22T06:25:04Z")
Good thing it’s a kindergarten and not older, otherwise the class Cartman would make life hell for her kid. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/3 "2015-12-22T06:30:44Z")
Guess I’m a bitch too. Santa has no place in school activities. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/4 "2015-12-22T15:24:43Z")
> [@](#): > > After Talia raised her concerns with the school board, she and the superintendent agreed on a compromise: Students would still go to the local coffee shop for hot chocolate, but there would be no Santa during school hours, and students would write letters to the coffee shop owner instead. But since the event was open to the community, the coffee shop owner couldn’t cancel Santa’s appearance, so the school trip was called off instead. OOoo, let’s all write letters to the coffee shop owner! A better compromise would’ve been to have Santa appear in a helicopter hovering over the playground, and drop live turkeys to the kiddies. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/5 "2015-12-22T15:42:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I don’t want religious activities in school, but Santa Claus is pretty secular. Not to this Jew, he isn’t. You may not even notice it if you were raised in a Christian or religion free household, but to me there’s no way to separate Santa from Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/6 "2015-12-22T15:50:13Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Not to this Jew, he isn’t. You may not even notice it if you were raised in a Christian or religion free household, but to me there’s no way to separate Santa from Christianity. When I was in elementary school we had Santa and Christmas trees and snowmen and sang Christmas carols. And we sang Hanukkah songs, too. But even the angels in the carols were just props for the Season of New Toys. In my home, the only place we got the religious aspects of Christmas was on the Charlie Brown Christmas special. Santa is Santa and presents and snowmen. Mangers are the boring religious stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/7 "2015-12-22T16:07:46Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Not to this Jew, he isn’t. You may not even notice it if you were raised in a Christian or religion free household, but to me there’s no way to separate Santa from Christianity. Yes, he’s partly pagan, but is also a mutation from Saint Nicholas. I think it’s sad when people nowadays tell the story of Saint Nicholas without mentioning the whores. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/8 "2015-12-22T16:12:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Santa is Santa and presents and snowmen. Which is Christmas. We don’t celebrate Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/9 "2015-12-22T16:36:12Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Which is Christmas. We don’t celebrate Christmas. So? There are lots of Christians who don’t celebrate Halloween because they consider it to be a pagan (religious, non-secular) holiday, but that doesn’t mean it is, and it doesn’t mean Halloween doesn’t belong in school. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/10 "2015-12-22T16:36:19Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Which is Christmas. We don’t celebrate Christmas. And it’s also Saturnalia and Yule (Juul). The Christian stuff was tacked on later. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/11 "2015-12-22T16:43:15Z")
Santa whores? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/12 "2015-12-22T16:43:42Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Yes, he’s partly pagan, but is also a mutation from Saint Nicholas. I think it’s sad when people nowadays tell the story of Saint Nicholas without mentioning the whores. Truth be told, the whores are the best part of any good story. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/13 "2015-12-22T16:57:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > And it’s also Saturnalia and Yule (Juul). The Christian stuff was tacked on later. It’s pretty hard for me to separate Santa from Christmas, which is the defining Christian holiday in the US. Santa (as we know him) is a Christian symbol. I’m fine with an ecumenical approach to religion in schools, even though I’d rather it not be there at all. But I’m not seeing writing letters to Santa as a class activity as anything but Christian. Santa isn’t related to Saturnalia or Yule. I’m not really arguing for or against the school in the OP but I think the claim that the acts weren’t Christian doesn’t fly. The bigger question is whether that matters, and my opinion on that is all over the map. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/14 "2015-12-22T17:44:34Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Guess I’m a bitch too. > > Santa has no place in school activities. No, you’re wrong. > [@Telemark](#): > > It’s pretty hard for me to separate Santa from Christmas, Of course because Santa is the representation of Jesus when Jesus gave all the good children presents and candy canes and the bad children coal on his birthday. And yes Kyles’ mom is a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/15 "2015-12-22T18:13:28Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Yes, he’s partly pagan, but is also a mutation from Saint Nicholas. I think it’s sad when people nowadays tell the story of Saint Nicholas without mentioning the whores. > [@zoid](#): > > Truth be told, the whores are the best part of any good story. What happens in Palmyra, stays in Palmyra. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/16 "2015-12-22T18:14:55Z")
[Well, Santa does have his dark side.](http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv174/kayaker01/onlyone_zpsojrpkejp.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/17 "2015-12-22T18:15:05Z")
The only people I’ve known who are strongly anti-Christmas are Christians. They considered it a pagan holiday and overshadowed Easter which is supposed to be The Big One. Sort of like the puritan attitude in New England a few hundred years ago. So, remember, anti-Christmas does _not_ mean non-Christian. (I’ve known many non-Christians whose attitude on Christmas is “meh”.) ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/18 "2015-12-22T19:04:22Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Not to this Jew, he isn’t. You may not even notice it if you were raised in a Christian or religion free household, but to me there’s no way to separate Santa from Christianity. > [@Telemark](#): > > It’s pretty hard for me to separate Santa from Christmas, which is the defining Christian holiday in the US. Santa (as we know him) is a Christian symbol. I’m fine with an ecumenical approach to religion in schools, even though I’d rather it not be there at all. But I’m not seeing writing letters to Santa as a class activity as anything but Christian. > > Santa isn’t related to Saturnalia or Yule. I’m not really arguing for or against the school in the OP but I think the claim that the acts weren’t Christian doesn’t fly. The bigger question is whether that matters, and my opinion on that is all over the map. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > No, you’re wrong. > > Of course because Santa is the representation of Jesus when Jesus gave all the good children presents and candy canes and the bad children coal on his birthday. > And yes Kyles’ mom is a bitch. The current version of Santa is–strictly speaking–ANTI-Christian. > [@](#): > > What a false, fake substitute the world puts forth at this time [Christmas 1990] for that true message. Do you remember these words? > > “You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout. I’m telling you why; Santa Claus is coming to town. He’s making a list and he’s checking it twice; gonna find out whose naughty and nice. Santa Claus is coming to town. He sees you when you’re sleeping; he knows when you’re awake. He knows if you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sakes. You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout. I’m telling you why; Santa Claus is coming to town.” > > Now does that threaten you? That is a very threatening poem. That is intended to scare children. Now listen, if you look at the letters of Santa, you will see that Satan is hidden in Santa. When we teach a child to sing this song, we are teaching him a false theology. We are teaching him a false set of doctrine. Let me see if I can explain it to you. > **[SermonIndex.net Audio Sermons - Sermon Index](https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=2213)** > > Founded in 2002. The mission of SermonIndex is the preservation and propagation of classical Biblical preaching and the promotion of Christ-centered revival to this generation. > [@](#): > > They ought to call him The Sinister Santa. It is my sincere hope that many children will find this article and be shocked with the reality that THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS! Parents who teach their children to tell the truth all year long, hypocritically turn around and lie to their children at Christmas about Santa. Santa Claus was designed to replace Jesus Christ. No parent should deceive their child about the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the SOLE meaning of Christmas. > > The name “Santa” rearranged spells SATAN." Whether coincidence or not, Santa has allowed Satan to lead children astray from the doctrine of Christ, i.e., the Word of God (2nd John 1:9). [http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/santa\_satan.htm](http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/santa_satan.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Mithras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mithras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithras)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/19 "2015-12-22T19:10:05Z")
Is this why there are so many people who believe there is a war on Christmas? That the symbols of Christmas are so ubiquitous that Christians are able to convince themselves they’re part of secular American culture and that the whole country hasn’t actually turned into a stage to celebrate their holiday for the entire month of December? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075/20 "2015-12-22T19:12:45Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > The current version of Santa is–strictly speaking–ANTI-Christian. [Well, isn’t that special?](https://vimeo.com/83819344) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooooooh-kyles-moms-a-bitch/741075.md?page=2)