# Ooparts (out of place artifacts) & Ancient Hi Technology-Evidence of Noah's Flood? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 20, 2000, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268 "2000-07-20T18:59:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![s8int](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@s8int](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/s8int)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/1 "2000-07-20T18:59:51Z")
Do ancient unexplained artifacts and high technology potentially provide evidence of pre-flood civilizations? Do 800 Billion fossils of all types in the Karoo Bone yards provide additional evidence of a worldwide flood? Does the Bible mention dinosaurs? Is there an easy explanation for fitting dinosaurs on the ark? Is there a reason that scientists cannot do on purpose in the lab what they claim happened by accident? Is evolution the worst theory ever to fit known facts?– Is there evidence that dinosaurs did co-exist with men in agreement with the Bible and in opposition to the theory of evolution? Do Giant versions of some of today’s plant, insects, animals and “Mega” Men prove a stumbling block for evolutionary theories? Hello! Is there an unmistakable Message (from God) in the cells of every living thing? YES! [Ooparts & Ancient Technology—Evidence of Noah’s Flood?](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile12.html) [Twentieth Century Dinosaurs?](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile16.html) [History, Archeology & Art Crawling with Dinosaurs](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile16A.html) With Some Size Estimates At 8 to 10 Feet Tall, Meganthropus Would Have Gone in The First Round [There Were Giants In the Earth in Those Days—And Afterward](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile21.html) Put your hand on the radio? Say this prayer I wrote myself? Become a "Prayer Partner"i.e.; Send money? Though they have hair like Charleston Heston (in his role as Moses after receiving the 10 commandments) What really matters is: [What the Bible Says Concerning Salvation—Not Slick-haired Preachers](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile7.html) No backwards collars, no funny hats, no special vestments, no accoutrements –no titles such as Father, Rabbi or Teacher as Jesus Commanded; and they called themselves: Christians? [Neither Catholic Nor Protestant; A Christian Only!](http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard?mbs.cgi?accnt=mb796603&TL=%E2%80%9D) Take care, No HTML here? Paste: [http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile12.html](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile12.html) into your address bar. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/2 "2000-07-20T19:13:23Z")
Yee-high!!! Edlyn, bring the lawn chairs! I’ll bring the popcorn! ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/3 "2000-07-20T19:26:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by s8int \* > \*\* Do 800 Billion fossils of all types in the Karoo Bone yards provide additional evidence of a worldwide flood? > \*\* I got a chuckle out of this. “Do photos of the Earth from space prove that the earth is flat?” “Does the Michaelson-Morley experiment prove the existence of a luminiferous ether? YES!!!” -Ben ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/4 "2000-07-20T19:32:00Z")
I won’t go into the appalling design flaws on s8int’s Web site beyond saying that tiny, multicolored font and lots o’ underlines and exclamation points make it very hard to read what you have to say. To addresss your points: 1. The link to your Noah’s Flood page doesn’t work, so you need to fix it. 2)To back up a claim that dead basking sharks are really plesiosaurs, it would be helpful to have more evidence than three badly scanned photos and petitio petendi arguments. 1. Even Duane Gish and the good folks at ICR acknowledge the Paluxy River prints don’t show saurian and human prints. 4)If you had done any checking on this site before you posted, you would know creationism vs. evolution has been argued into the ground. Hie to a science class (and a class in web design would help, too)! ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/5 "2000-07-20T19:32:14Z")
I suppose I should issue my usual challenge to creationists: how do you explain protein homology? -Ben ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/6 "2000-07-20T19:38:21Z")
Dear Mr. **Saint** , Please provide evidence. Thank you. Yours, A Teeming Million ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/7 "2000-07-20T19:44:39Z")
And because I’m such a nice guy, I’ve fixed **Captain Arrogant** ’s links: > [@](#): > > [Ooparts & Ancient Technology—Evidence of Noah’s Flood?](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile12.html) > [Twentieth Century Dinosaurs?](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile16.html) > > [History, Archeology & Art Crawling with Dinosaurs](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile16A.html) > > With Some Size Estimates At 8 to 10 Feet Tall, Meganthropus Would Have Gone in The First Round [There Were Giants In the Earth in Those Days—And Afterward](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile21.html) > > Put your hand on the radio? Say this prayer I wrote myself? Become a "Prayer Partner"i.e.; Send money? Though they have hair like Charleston Heston (in his role as Moses after receiving the 10 commandments) What really matters is: [What the Bible Says Concerning Salvation—Not Slick-haired Preachers](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile7.html) > > No backwards collars, no funny hats, no special vestments, no accoutrements –no titles such as Father, Rabbi or Teacher as Jesus Commanded; and they called themselves: Christians? [Neither Catholic Nor Protestant; A Christian Only!](http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard?mbs.cgi?accnt=mb796603&TL=) I make no claims as to whether the links are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/8 "2000-07-20T19:45:24Z")
Gee, post a few links. If that is a good debate technique: [http://www.talkorigins.org](http://www.talkorigins.org) There. I win. Putz. * * * Yer pal, Satan _I HAVE BEEN SMOKE-FREE FOR: Three months, one week, four days, 17 hours, 45 minutes and 29 seconds. 4109 cigarettes not smoked, saving $513.70. Life saved: 2 weeks, 6 hours, 25 minutes._ ---
**Author:** ![Phobos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Phobos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phobos)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/9 "2000-07-20T19:49:08Z")
no. no. no. no. a bad strawman argument. no. no. no. no. this is too easy (but fun) details found at [http://www.talkorigins.org](http://www.talkorigins.org) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/10 "2000-07-20T19:50:07Z")
Thanks **Stan A.**. The links that do work are so full of the same old tripe and babble that I can only hope that Mr. **I’m Saved And You’re Not** is just a hit and run. If he comes back, perhaps he will be open to discussion. Otherwise, I’ll just shut the hell up and let the thread die the ignominious death it so richly deserves. ---
**Author:** ![douglips](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@douglips](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/douglips)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/11 "2000-07-20T19:58:25Z")
Balanced food for body-mind-soul-spirit is our medicine! Full-truth, our God! Half-truth, our enemy! Hard work our strength! Free Speech our Weapon Unity our goal! All-One our soul! Self-discipline the key to Love, uniting All-One above! So, when your fellow man you measure, take him at his best, with that lever lift him higher, overlook the rest! For we’re All-One or none! Exceptions eternally? Absolute None! ---
**Author:** ![Odieman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a87d85/32.png) [@Odieman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odieman)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/12 "2000-07-20T20:04:31Z")
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to think of Dr Bronner 😉 Dilute!Dilute! Keith ---
**Author:** ![tcburnett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@tcburnett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tcburnett)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/13 "2000-07-20T21:19:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by s8int \* > **Put your hand on the radio? Say this prayer I wrote myself? Become a "Prayer Partner"i.e.; Send money? Though they have hair like Charleston Heston (in his role as Moses after receiving the 10 commandments) What really matters is: [What the Bible Says Concerning Salvation—Not Slick-haired Preachers](http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/spiritst/s8int/phile7.html)** It appears that a creationist nutloaf has slipped in amongst us, but have no fear. I am capable of debating with him at his own level of incompetence. Let me start with a (stolen) email to the Queen of Creationists, Dr. Laura: Dear Dr. Laura; attention s8int, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I Have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them. a. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this? b. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? (Ok, this is for a “friend”) c. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. d. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? e. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? g. Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/14 "2000-07-20T21:35:08Z")
Does anyone else here notice that if you read s8int’s name out loud, pronouncing the 8 as “eight,” and dropping the final t a little, it sounds a bit, er, familiar? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/15 "2000-07-20T22:42:11Z")
Satan, you putz! I hope the mods have mercy on your sock-puppeting self. (If it isn’t you, this post shall not be construed as an accusation. This post shall be construed in accordance with the laws of Discordia. In the event Discordia has no applicable laws, no prosecution can take place. Gluck Auf.) (Hey, I don’t blame anyone for having some fun. But don’t risk being banned. Sock puppeting is specifically outlawed in the rules of the SDMB. I like you, Satan. I’m sure you can have more fun in acts that do not risk a ban.) ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/16 "2000-07-20T22:54:01Z")
Guys, I highly doubt that Satan would go through all the trouble of making up a sockpuppet and a extensive website just to point out some goofy links. I suspect the OPer was going for “saint”, not “Satan”. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/17 "2000-07-20T23:09:40Z")
I blame Larry. But hey, it sounded like something I’d do. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2000, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/18 "2000-07-20T23:49:34Z")
I didn’t mean Satan the SDMB poster, I meant the Dark Lord himself. I mean haven’t y’all seen those movies with mysterious characters named “Louis Cypher” or “Mr. DeVille” or some such nonsense? I’m sure this was just an oversite on s8int’s part. I just think its funny that some fundie would have a screen name homophonic to his (her?) epitome of evil. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2000, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/19 "2000-07-21T00:56:56Z")
OK everybody, move along. Nothing to see here. Just your run of the mill nut. Move along. Let’s not tie up traffic with this. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2000, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268/20 "2000-07-21T02:08:30Z")
Curses! A drive-by Witnessing and I have to be working. I miss all the fun… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ooparts-out-of-place-artifacts-ancient-hi-technology-evidence-of-noahs-flood/26268.md?page=2)