# Oops. Looks like we were lied to about Obamacare after all. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534 "2013-10-29T07:22:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/761 "2013-11-06T00:46:23Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If that is true, you are making more than $94,200 a year. In that case, thank you for making my affordable healthcare possible. You’re welcome, moocher. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/762 "2013-11-06T00:52:10Z")
Hey, howcum _that’s_ OK and “running dog jackal of the ruling class” isn’t? No fair! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/763 "2013-11-06T01:23:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If the Pubbies really meant what they said, if they really believed it, the would be totally on board with funding anything it takes to get the website humming. Have any funds Obama requested for this been denied to him? I don’t think he needed to request funds, but did he? > [@](#): > > Every Republican governor would rush to get those state exchanges going. Because that’s how people are _really_ going to find out the truth, isn’t it? The state exchanges are mostly working fine. It’s the federal exchanges that aren’t. What do you suggest the Republican governors do wrt the federal exchanges? Take over the federal government, kick out Sebelius and start fixing the web site themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/764 "2013-11-06T01:23:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > You’re welcome, moocher. Mind the forum, now… And that’s Mr. Moocher to you. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/765 "2013-11-06T01:26:35Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > You’re welcome, moocher. If you are planning on accepting medicare and social security, and live to an average life span or longer, you will become a moocher yourself. I guess you could avoid it by calculating the projected shortfalls and writing a free-will gift check to the Treasury every year. The way I figure it, we are all born moochers, and I hope we all live long enough to become moochers again before we die. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/766 "2013-11-06T01:40:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No, to put back the context you’re still strenuously, even belligerently, trying to avoid, for pathetically obvious reasons. > [@magellan01](#): > > I guess it doesn’t serve some grand point. It would only demonstrate that you aren’t so stubbornly and hopelessly hyper-partisan as you appear on these boards normally. So, it’s no skin off my nose. But with every obfuscation, excuse and contorted reframing, you make your brand tattoo that much more prominent. The next time either of you posts a personal attack on the other , (or anyone else), you will receive a Warning. Take your feud to The BBQ Pit or drop it. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/767 "2013-11-06T01:51:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Have any funds Obama requested for this been denied to him? I don’t think he needed to request funds, but did he? > The state exchanges are mostly working fine. It’s the federal exchanges that aren’t. What do you suggest the Republican governors do wrt the federal exchanges? Take over the federal government, kick out Sebelius and start fixing the web site themselves? Uh, start a state exchange. That’s Obamacare too. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/768 "2013-11-06T01:56:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Uh, start a state exchange. That’s Obamacare too. The federal web site is going to be up and running in a weeks. AFAIK, there is nothing wrong with the federal exchanges, just the website. Besides, if they really don’t think it’s going to work, or disagree with the federal requirements for doing so, why waste resources on it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/769 "2013-11-06T03:07:24Z")
Why? To cash in early as possible on a political bonanza, a electoral pornucopia. Course, lot of the poor and sick will suffer as a result, but they have learned to deal with those pangs of conscience, they could find the strength to go on. And what I’m suggesting is that the main reason they are so desperate to torpedo Obamacare is because they are afraid it may work. I expect it very well could. State exchanges have been operating for some time here in Baja Canada. I interact with the natives frequently, don’t recall much howls of outrage. (Of course, they are not much given to howling, if Allan Ginsberg had lived in MN he would have written “Murmur”.) A whore like Hannity has to recruit people to tell bad, bad stories that could be easily debunked. If the crop of disgruntled victims is that bountiful, why did he have a problem coming up with victims who would stand up to scrutiny? He doesn’t have any staff? They aren’t afraid it won’t work, they are afraid it will. I think they are probably right on both counts, that it will work, not great, but OK. And they should be afraid of that. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/770 "2013-11-06T03:16:26Z")
I guess we’ll see. I’m not smart enough to know whether it will, but if you are, more power to you. And maybe you trust the collusion of big government and big insurance to look out for us little guys. I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/771 "2013-11-06T03:20:12Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s not my question. **adaher** offered the position that the outcome of the VA governor’s race will reflect something about the public’s opinion of Obamacare. He is offering this because the race is tightening up. I’m saying fine, I will hold him to that position. So, how does one explain how a 7-point lead becomes a 1-point squeaker of a victory? Skewed polls?🙂 Or perhaps some cancellation notices motivated some people. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/772 "2013-11-06T03:26:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > They aren’t afraid it won’t work, they are afraid it will. I think they are probably right on both counts, that it will work, not great, but OK. And they should be afraid of that. THe last one is the worst possible outcome. If it works, then it’s like SS or Medicare, it becomes untouchable, and Republicans live with it. In any case, all entitlements have to be on a budget now, so it’s not like ACA will ever be allowed to have cost overruns even if it is wildly successful. If it fails, big win for the GOP, they probably get swept into office in 2016, repeal it, and replace it with something that falls well short of being universal, but which makes incremental improvements. However, if it’s just OK, that’s a big problem. Millions become dependent, offset by millions who are pissed off, and it remains an open sore for years, destined to be litigated again and again in election after election. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/773 "2013-11-06T03:37:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So, how does one explain how a 7-point lead becomes a 1-point squeaker of a victory? > > Skewed polls?🙂 Or perhaps some cancellation notices motivated some people. It is 2 points now, and you look like a football player in an amusing defensive play I saw a few years back, the defender stood up and wildly cerebrated stopping a late play, only to have one player of the winning team come calmly and tap on his shoulder and point at the actual score in the big board. Cuchinelli still lost and as this was pushed as a referendum of sorts, this is a win for Obama. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/774 "2013-11-06T03:40:43Z")
A win for McCauliffe. He survived Obama, he wasn’t helped by him. That 5-point decline in one week? That was all Obama. And I’m sure you can’t fail to notice that anti-ACA candidates won 53% of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/775 "2013-11-06T03:50:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > A win for McCauliffe. He survived Obama, he wasn’t helped by him. That 5-point decline in one week? That was all Obama. Nope, in the latest debate I heard that McCauliffe also came in favor of more gun restrictions, a really unnecessary position to take that late on the race IMHO. > [@adaher](#): > > And I’m sure you can’t fail to notice that anti-ACA candidates won 53% of the vote. Chris Christie said yes To Obamacare Medicaid Expansion, and in Virginia the Democratic Lieutenant Governor won by a higher margin, showing that even with a weak candidate this was not really a demand to repeal the law. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/776 "2013-11-06T03:51:58Z")
I don’t think it’s a demand to repeal the law either. But the President’s declining credibility is going to have an effect. It sure did in this race. Or it was guns, I hadn’t thought of that, but I suppose it’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/777 "2013-11-06T04:14:33Z")
The VA referendum: McAuliffe/Obamacare won. I love adaher’s pre-election predictions and pontificating! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/778 "2013-11-06T04:20:20Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > The VA referendum: McAuliffe/Obamacare won. > > I love adaher’s pre-election predictions and pontificating! The post-election predictions and pontificating are even more fun. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/779 "2013-11-06T04:28:35Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > The VA referendum: McAuliffe/Obamacare won. > > I love adaher’s pre-election predictions and pontificating! Which were 100% right this time. And again, McCauliffe won. Obamacare lost, 53-47. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534/780 "2013-11-06T04:41:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which were 100% right this time. > > And again, McCauliffe won. Obamacare lost, 53-47. Have some integrity, man. You specifically said that the McAuliffe race was relevant to the issue. He won. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oops-looks-like-we-were-lied-to-about-obamacare-after-all/672534.md?page=40)