# OP requests **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 15, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035 "2016-09-15T20:14:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/21 "2016-09-16T14:06:44Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Okay, I think people are getting into a twist over semantics. Which is kind of silly. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve seen a poster NOT follow the parameters set by the OP, only to be followed by another poster that says something to the effect of: “You didn’t read the OP did you?” or “Try reading the OP”, “Did you even _bother_ to read the OP?”. > > And this snark, (Which I think is justified BTW) never gets moderated. > > **DrDerth** chose not to be snarky but instead pointed out in a very matter of fact way that posters aren’t following the guidelines of the OP and gets moderated for it. > > I think that’s just a wee bit fucked up. > > Some of you moderators sure do get defensive when you think some one else is honing in on your territory. Not the same thing. Maybe if someone said “don’t post anymore until you read the OP”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/22 "2016-09-16T14:10:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Not the same thing. Maybe if someone said “don’t post anymore until you read the OP”. …it would still look like junior modding to me. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/23 "2016-09-16T14:28:22Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Some of you moderators sure do get defensive when you think some one else is honing in on your territory. Personally I suspect some of the moderators have a sort of Napoleon Complex, compensating for their lowly status and the lack of respect they get IRL by strutting their mod status here. (One guy in particular is almost a caricature, but I doubt if he’s the only one.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/24 "2016-09-16T14:30:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > …it would still look like junior modding to me. Really? “Did you read the OP?” is junior mod’ing? How about “Did you read your own cite?” If so, there are a lot of un-issued warnings out there!!! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/25 "2016-09-16T14:35:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Really? “Did you read the OP?” is junior mod’ing? How about “Did you read your own cite?” If so, there are a lot of un-issued warnings out there!!! It’s nice that we go back and quote directly. How about the _order_(not question) you actually stated: > [@](#): > > don’t post anymore until you read the OP . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/26 "2016-09-16T14:43:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s nice that we go back and quote directly. > How about the _order_(not question) you actually stated: . OK, now I’m confused. Of course I think that is junior mod’ing-- that’s why I posted it as an example of same. By using “still” I assumed you were saying even the example in **Grrr’s** post was jr mod’ing, which I disagree with. So, let’s start over. Which of these do you think is junior mod’ing: 1. “Did you even read the OP?” 2. “Don’t post anymore until you read the OP” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/27 "2016-09-16T14:48:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > OK, now I’m confused. Of course I think that is junior mod’ing-- that’s why I posted it as an example of same. By using “still” I assumed you were saying even the example in **Grrr’s** post was jr mod’ing, which I disagree with. > > So, let’s start over. Which of these do you think is junior mod’ing: > > 1. “Did you even read the OP?” > > 2. “Don’t post anymore until you read the OP” Looks liked crossed-wires here, sorry. #2 is JMing, IMHO. Perhaps #1, if repeated often enough by the same poster. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/28 "2016-09-16T14:49:25Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Personally I suspect some of the moderators have a sort of Napoleon Complex, compensating for their lowly status and the lack of respect they get IRL by strutting their mod status here. (One guy in particular is almost a caricature, but I doubt if he’s the only one.) Let’s not derail this thread by hurling insults at the moderators. If you have something constructive or something relevant to the discussion to add, please do so. Just expressing your low opinion of the staff here isn’t helpful at all. The topic here is junior modding and/or the moderation (or lack thereof) of insults directed at posters. Please stick to that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/29 "2016-09-16T16:25:59Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Okay, I think people are getting into a twist over semantics. Which is kind of silly. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve seen a poster NOT follow the parameters set by the OP, only to be followed by another poster that says something to the effect of: “You didn’t read the OP did you?” or “Try reading the OP”, “Did you even _bother_ to read the OP?”. > > And this snark, (Which I think is justified BTW) never gets moderated. > > **DrDerth** chose not to be snarky but instead pointed out in a very matter of fact way that posters aren’t following the guidelines of the OP and gets moderated for it. > > I think that’s just a wee bit fucked up. > > Some of you moderators sure do get defensive when you think some one else is honing in on your territory. I think in my thread it was very important to stick to the OP, and not attack those who had the guts to admit they were voting for Trump. I think we really needed to see if Trump had any support here, and more importantly, WHY Trump supporters are voting for him. Attacking them means they wont be forthcoming. We have a dozen threads where posters can castigate Trump supporters already. We dont need another. And the personal attack by\*\* Czarcasm\*\* totally derails any attempt at open discussion. I am still confused why that insult didn’t get a warning. That being said, perhaps a couple of my comments were too strongly worded. _mea culpa._ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/30 "2016-09-16T16:28:13Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > In the sense of enforcing a clearly-written, long-standing, and consistently-enforced rule? :rolleyes: It’s not consistently-enforced. Czarcasm and SenorBeef get away with junior modding in their Ops all the time, and others do too. It’s anything but consistently-enforced. The OP has long had some leeway in “junior modding” his own thread. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/31 "2016-09-16T16:32:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Czarcasm and SenorBeef get away with junior modding in their Ops all the time, and others do too. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/32 "2016-09-16T16:43:45Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > **Moderator Note** > > Let’s not derail this thread by hurling insults at the moderators. If you have something constructive or something relevant to the discussion to add, please do so. Just expressing your low opinion of the staff here isn’t helpful at all. > > The topic here is junior modding and/or the moderation (or lack thereof) of insults directed at posters. Please stick to that. The context of my remarks was that some moderators might have a very expansive definition - and overzealous enforcement - of “junior modding” for the reason given. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/33 "2016-09-16T16:45:16Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Cite? Oh, please, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/34 "2016-09-16T17:23:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s not consistently-enforced. Czarcasm and SenorBeef get away with junior modding in their Ops all the time… You’ve accused me of this more than once, in more than one thread. I humbly request that you either back this up, or knock it off. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/35 "2016-09-16T18:50:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’ve accused me of this more than once, in more than one thread. I humbly request that you either back this up, or knock it off. Well, in recent memory there was [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19430099#post19430099). From that we have these posts: > [@The 2nd Amendment solution to Tyrannical Government](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2nd-amendment-solution-to-tyrannical-government/758244/33): > > True or not,that is an argument for another thread, I think. At least, it is not the reason I started this one. > [@The 2nd Amendment solution to Tyrannical Government](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2nd-amendment-solution-to-tyrannical-government/758244/38): > > Not here, please? > [@The 2nd Amendment solution to Tyrannical Government](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2nd-amendment-solution-to-tyrannical-government/758244/51): > > And that’s another argument for another thread, please. * * * Then there was this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=777040). From there we have these posts: > [@Question for Republicans: If Trump wins the Nomination...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/8): > > Yea…but this thread isn’t about that topic. This is a hypothetical about how Republicans will vote _if_ Trump gets nominated. > [@Question for Republicans: If Trump wins the Nomination...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/22): > > The “Can/should Trump Win” threads are elsewhere in this forum. * * * I say they’re marginal at best and more on the side of requests, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/36 "2016-09-16T19:03:01Z")
And in both cases, after a couple of polite requests I let the Mods handle it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/37 "2016-09-16T19:13:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’ve accused me of this more than once, in more than one thread. I humbly request that you either back this up, or knock it off. So, you’re telling him how he should post? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/38 "2016-09-16T19:19:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, you’re telling him how he should post? 🙂 He is perfectly free, as far as I am concerned, to do either one. I can’t order him to do or not do anything. ---
**Author:** ![heartsplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d9b06d/32.png) [@heartsplayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heartsplayer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/39 "2016-09-16T19:48:35Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I will say, threatening a warning for his “Close the thread” post seems a bit over the top. Yes, that was very harsh - though from my experience, if you report a post and ask for the thread to be closed that way (provided it is because of a break in the rules) then moderators will be happy to do it. 🙂 Though maybe it was classified as junior modding, which I know the SDMB aren’t keen on. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035/40 "2016-09-16T21:22:29Z")
> [@heartsplayer](#): > > Yes, that was very harsh - though from my experience, if you report a post and ask for the thread to be closed that way (provided it is because of a break in the rules) then moderators will be happy to do it. 🙂 They will not close a thread simply because the thread starter doesn’t like the where the thread is going unless said thread was going to be closed anyway with zero input from the thread starter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/op-requests/766035.md?page=1)