# Open Letter To The Homophobe's I've Met..

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [July 24, 2003, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625 "2003-07-24T14:14:06Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/61 "2003-07-27T08:17:59Z")

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> \*Originally posted by lissener \*  
> You don’t GET to “disagree” with gays; the fact that you think it’s something that can be validly disagreed with MAKES YOU A HOMOPHOBE.

Please excuse my extreme ignorance on this matter. (honest request, NOT sarcasm, I have a few gay friends, but know next to nothing about their orientation, or “lifestyle” sorry “lifestyle” meaning customs, beliefs attitudes toward the “straight” world etc).

Are you meaning to say that people who don’t condone homosexuality (either because of religious upbringingm, disagreeing that it’s “natural” or what have you) are either homophobic (afraid of gay persons) or anti-gay (those who discriminate against gays)??

Is it “allowed” or possible for a person to hold their beliefs and still be open minded regarding the rights of gay persons, without being labeled “homophobic” or “anti-gay”?

Please be kind, remember these are QUESTIONS, NOT opinions, OR statements!!!

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**Author:** ![Snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Snake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snake)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/62 "2003-07-27T08:18:14Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \*  
> \*\*Yes, it _is_ homophobic, and I’m sure that you know that.
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> Judgemental, bigoted, and stupid.
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> Are you normally this much of an asshole or did you recently incur blunt trauma to your head? \*\*

So I’m an asshole for finding some activities disgusting and choosing to distance myself from them and the people that participate in them ? Judgemental … sure , I’ll agree with you there . But I’m sure everyone is judgemental in their own way , you included . I’d think \<and hope \> you’d find an adult sleeping with a 14 year old child disgusting and not want to associate with someone who does that , even though it isn’t illegal in some countries . That is being judgemental on your part. Its the same situation , so peddle your " I’m a non-judgemental saint " shit somewhere else because I’m not buying it . Next you’ll be telling me that rapists should be given therepy instead of a dunk in the gator pool because I’m sure you’re very sensitive too .  
I never said being gay is wrong or that gay people should be limited in any way to living their lives the way they choose . I merely stated my opinion that i find what they do to be disgusting and I’d rather not be around it . To equate it with another activity I feel the same way about does not make me a bigot . In your opinion ,even if I was ok with homosexuality , i’d still be a stupid , bigoted asshole for my feelings about nose pickers .  
Besides , isn’t it sorta judgemental to link head trauma victims with being assholes ? What do you have against head trauma victims , ya damn bigot ?

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**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/63 "2003-07-27T10:14:55Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Snake \*  
> \*\* I merely stated my opinion that i find what they do to be disgusting and I’d rather not be around it . To equate it with another activity I feel the same way about does not make me a bigot . \*\*

Now you need to stand up in front of the group and say: “My name is Snake, and I’m a bigot.”

The truth will set you free.

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**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/64 "2003-07-27T13:16:33Z")

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> \*Originally posted by CanvasShoes \*  
> \*\*Are you meaning to say that people who don’t condone homosexuality (either because of religious upbringingm, disagreeing that it’s “natural” or what have you) are either homophobic (afraid of gay persons) or anti-gay (those who discriminate against gays)??
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> Is it “allowed” or possible for a person to hold their beliefs and still be open minded regarding the rights of gay persons, without being labeled “homophobic” or “anti-gay”?
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> Please be kind, remember these are QUESTIONS, NOT opinions, OR statements!!! \*\*

Well I’m not lissener, obviously, but in my book? Yes it is possible. It just doesn’t happen very often. There are many people who would claim to hold that position, but it often turns out to be a false front. I have known a few people, though, and I’m willing to return respect for respect given. If they treat me as a human being, I will return the favor. I can really demand no more, no matter what I may wish.

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**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/65 "2003-07-27T13:39:41Z")

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**Snake** , I’m a tad confused why you think gay men (since that seems to be your focus), would discuss their sex lives with you, thus grossing you out?  
How do you know what they get off on?  
Surely, you don’t think gay men are limited to one sexual act alone.

I don’t get off on envisioning my heterosexual friends doing the big bump either  
Personally, (and this may well be a measure of my excessive prudishness), I would be uncomfortable with any of my friends sharing details of what they do behind closed doors.  
It’s just a little too close for comfort-not quite as yucky as imagining you parents doing it but right up there.  
That’s not to say my female friends and I don’t discuss the subject on occasion but it’s not as if we compare the shapes and sizes of our husband’s penises (penii?).  
(Now, imagining total strangers on the net… )🆒

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**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/66 "2003-07-27T14:10:33Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Narrad \*  
> **In fact, the Merriam-Webster defines “homophobia” as the "irrational fear of, aversion to, discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals."**

Err…no, not exactly. The actual definition reads as follows:

“irrational fear of, aversion to, _ **or** _ discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals”

(my bolding and italicizing)  
So, it’s irrational fear of, aversion to or discrimination against. Bit of a difference, in my humble opinion. 🙂

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**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/67 "2003-07-27T14:42:56Z")

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> I merely stated my opinion that i find what they do to be disgusting and I’d rather not be around it.

Be around what? The activity? That’s very easy to do: avoid gay people’s bedrooms while they’re having sex. I didn’t think we wanted you in there to begin with.

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**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/68 "2003-07-27T20:04:38Z")

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> \*Originally posted by chula \*  
> \*\*Does anyone have a cite for that study they did that showed the more homophobic a person was, the more likely they were to be turned on by gay porn?😕 \*\*

It was the [University of Georgia](http://www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html) study. They mention though, that it might have been anxiety rather than arousal. I think a more detailed study with more subjects is needed.

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**Author:** ![modro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@modro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/modro)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/69 "2003-07-27T23:39:35Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Snake \*  
> \*\*Ok , suppose we became friends and got along real well . Then you told me you and your s/o liked golden showers . Nobody gets hurt , its consentual , but I , personally , would find that disgusting and would think of that anytime i saw you . Same deal with being gay . I personally find not YOU , but what you DO an impediment to friendship . If a straight friend of mine told me he liked to jam a table leg up his ass , I could never see him without thinkin " Ugh , thats some fucked up stuff he does " . Just as I don’t want to see someody picking their nose , I also don’t want to see two men kissing . Am I nostrilphobic ? I don’t think picking your nose should be illegal anymore than i think any gay issue should be illegal . Nobody gets hurt , just keep that stuff away from me because I think its gross . Would I be considered a homophobe ? \*\*

Well, I might think it disgusting that you may chew with your mouth open, jerk off to odd fetish porn, or masturbate wearing your mom’s underwear, and while I might make fun of you for stuff like that, I certainly wouldn’t decide whether or not to continue being friends with you because of any of them. Just because I may have sex with men, in the privacy of my own bedroom, isn’t a reason to avoid talking to me. I’d be pretty ooged out at the thought of your girlfriend going down on you, but that doesn’t mean that I am going to avoid you because of it.

Besides, most gay people are surprisingly low key as far as PDA’s go. Just because you are around gay people doesn’t mean you will be treated to a bunch of men sucking face.

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**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/70 "2003-07-27T23:42:15Z")

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> \*Originally posted by modro \*  
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> Besides, most gay people are surprisingly low key as far as PDA’s go. Just because you are around gay people doesn’t mean you will be treated to a bunch of men sucking face. \*\*

Though we can _hope_.

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**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/71 "2003-07-27T23:58:45Z")

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**Snake** , I don’t like to imagine _anyone_, except those people I am sexually attracted to, engaged in sexual activities, of any kind. The idea of my grandparents going at it is disgusting to me, but it has no affect on how I feel about them.

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**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/72 "2003-07-28T00:19:18Z")

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Right, let’s have a go at this to make sure we can hear this duck’s echo before we call it one.

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> \*Originally posted by Snake \*  
> So I’m an asshole for finding some activities disgusting and choosing to distance myself from them and the people that participate in them ?

Firstly, you know fuck-all about someone’s sex life unless they tell you or you see it in action. Being gay does not mean you’re having sex with anything, though again if it’s with a human consenting adult and adultery is not an issue then it isn’t your business in the first place.

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> Judgemental … sure , I’ll agree with you there . But I’m sure everyone is judgemental in their own way , you included .

Natch. I think it’s horribly pointless and often insulting to hear “gay man? MUST be having sex with goats in the Sistine Chapel during the entirety of the consecration at Chrism Mass”. You know fuck-all about someone’s sex life based on their orientation. For example: I’m bisexual. What does that tell you about my sex life? (hint: what else do you know about me?)

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> I’d think \<and hope \> you’d find an adult sleeping with a 14 year old child disgusting and not want to associate with someone who does that , even though it isn’t illegal in some countries .

And the similarities between that and someone who is gay would be … what, exactly? You’re trying to draw a parallel between homosexuality and an adult having sex with a younger (but probably not pre-pubescent) person.

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> Its the same situation , so peddle your " I’m a non-judgemental saint " shit somewhere else because I’m not buying it .

You’d better unless you’d like to confirm the statement “I, **Snake** , am unable to think.” It’s right at the bottom of this here affidavit. Your analogies and arguments don’t wash.

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> Next you’ll be telling me that rapists should be given therepy instead of a dunk in the gator pool because I’m sure you’re very sensitive too .

Yet another irrelevant “example”. Do you have the 2003 edition of “Pointless Examples to Raise When You’ve already Lost the Argument”, or is it just the 2002 Unabridged version?

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> I merely stated my opinion that i find what they do to be disgusting and I’d rather not be around it .

You know fuck-all about the first and as I doubt you’ll ever find yourself in the bedroom of … well, anyone, that shan’t be a problem.

You do realize that gay men don’t just go around having sex in front of straight people just to disturb them, right?

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> To equate it with another activity I feel the same way about does not make me a bigot .

You’re a bigot absent anything else.

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> In your opinion ,even if I was ok with homosexuality , i’d still be a stupid , bigoted asshole for my feelings about nose pickers .

Ah yes. Must be the Unabridged version. The 2003 has a more detailed bit about nosepickers.

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> Besides , isn’t it sorta judgemental to link head trauma victims with being assholes ? What do you have against head trauma victims , ya damn bigot ?

It is decidedly difficult to reach a moral high ground from 6 feet underground.

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**Author:** ![modro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@modro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/modro)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/73 "2003-07-28T01:32:49Z")

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You know, I am feeling particularly persecuted here. I was reading **iampunha’s** (which is a username that I just now “got”) reply post to snake, when I noticed something. As I was reading the post, I was inadvertantly picking my nose in the privacy of my own house, when I happened across the “bigoted asshole for my feelings about nose pickers” comment.

You know, I can understand not liking what I do in the bedroom, but I extend a hearty fuck you to you, **snake** for intruding on my nasal cavity grooming habits.

So I had a booger, what do you _want_ me to do with it, continue providing it low rent housing in my nose? It isn’t like I am flicking the damn things at you.

Next thing you know, I won’t be able to pick scabs no more…

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**Author:** ![Snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Snake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snake)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/74 "2003-07-28T01:46:29Z")

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> \*Originally posted by modro \*  
> \*\* or masturbate wearing your mom’s underwear
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> hahahaha Man , I wish I’d thought of that instead of nose picking . Thats a good one ! And yep , once they let that information out I’d find it near impossile to hang out with them anymore . The mental image would scar me the same way seeing my parents doin the nasty would .
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> Besides, most gay people are surprisingly low key as far as PDA’s go. Just because you are around gay people doesn’t mean you will be treated to a bunch of men sucking face. \*\*

See , now thats not my experience . My g/f and I like the beach . The beach closest to us has , over the years , become almost a magnet for the gay community . Its a place that will enforce every stereotype you’ve ever heard about gay people . Its almost like they’re militant about it and its their duty to make their gay presence known . Its to the point that we ride down to Ocean City , MD where people are more laid back .

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wearing your mother's underwear hahahaha thats a classic !
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**Author:** ![modro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@modro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/modro)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/75 "2003-07-28T01:55:27Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Snake \*  
> \*\*wearing your mother’s underwear hahahaha thats a classic ! \*\*

😃

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**Author:** ![Snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Snake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snake)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/76 "2003-07-28T02:13:58Z")

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> \*Originally posted by iampunha \*  
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> 1 Natch. I think it’s horribly pointless and often insulting to hear “gay man? MUST be having sex with goats in the Sistine Chapel during the entirety of the consecration at Chrism Mass”. You know fuck-all about someone’s sex life based on their orientation. For example: I’m bisexual. What does that tell you about my sex life? (hint: what else do you know about me?)
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> 2 And the similarities between that and someone who is gay would be … what, exactly? You’re trying to draw a parallel between homosexuality and an adult having sex with a younger (but probably not pre-pubescent) person.
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> 3 You’re a bigot absent anything else.
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> \*\*

1 When did i ever say anything even close to that ? Not once . Although if that whole goat thing DID happen in church , I’d hafta give you points for pissing off the “holy people”. I give less than a shit about you being bisexual , and i care even less what you and you’re s/o do . Can’t you just be a person ? Why do you hafta be " Hi , I’m … , I’m bi and don’t you oppress me " I have never seen a ‘straight pride’ rally . Its not my job to recognize you for whatever orientation you are .

2 The similarity is that they’re both sexual activities .

3 So even though I have never and will never infringe upon the rights of a gay person to be who they are without persecution , I’m still a bigot ? I’m a bigot for having an opinion . Fine , and you’re a whiney shitbag .

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**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/77 "2003-07-28T02:49:01Z")

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Snake:

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> 3 So even though I have never and will never infringe upon the rights of a gay person to be who they are without persecution , I’m still a bigot ? I’m a bigot for having an opinion . Fine , and you’re a whiney shitbag .

Of course not, Snake. Being a bigot is a bad thing, and you’re not a bad person. In fact, you’re perfect. You have absolutely no negavtive traits whatsoever. Actually, everybody’s perfect. That’s right, as long as we all spend time rationalizing our ignorance and deficiencies rather than fixing them, we’ll all be happy (other people’s deficiencies and ignorance, on the other hand, are the source of everything that’s wrong).

What a dumb question. “I’m a bigot for having an opinion.” Yes, because it’s a _bigoted_ opinion! Doy!

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**Author:** ![LudditeAndroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@LudditeAndroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LudditeAndroid)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/78 "2003-07-28T04:35:15Z")

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[I cut and pasted this from [www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm](http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm) ]

Research by US psychologists suggests that 80 percent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings. This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.

The research results were published in the prestigious Journal of Abnormal Psychology, with the backing of the American Psychological Association.

In tests conducted by Prof. Henry E Adams of the University of Georgia, homophobic men who said they were exclusively heterosexual were shown gay sex videos. Four out of five became sexually aroused by the homoerotic imagery, as recorded by a penile circumference measuring device - a plethysmograph.

Prof. Adams says his research shows that most homophobes “demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli”, suggesting that homophobia is a form of “latent homosexuality where persons are either unaware of or deny their homosexual urges”

[note: this site didn’t mention this, but the control group in this study (hetersexual, non-homophobic men) did have significantly less arousal when viewing gay porn]

Unfortunately, the site that shows the more extensive results is a pop-up hell, and It’s NSFW so I don’t think I can post the link here. If anybody wants to see it go to [google.com](http://google.com) and type in _homophobes study “latent homosexuality”_ then look at the cache for the blissforums site.

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**Author:** ![Snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Snake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snake)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/79 "2003-07-28T04:46:16Z")

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> \*Originally posted by pizzabrat \*  
> \*\*Snake:  
> Of course not, Snake. Being a bigot is a bad thing, and you’re not a bad person. In fact, you’re perfect. You have absolutely no negavtive traits whatsoever. Actually, everybody’s perfect. That’s right, as long as we all spend time rationalizing our ignorance and deficiencies rather than fixing them, we’ll all be happy (other people’s deficiencies and ignorance, on the other hand, are the source of everything that’s wrong).
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> What a dumb question. “I’m a bigot for having an opinion.” Yes, because it’s a _bigoted_ opinion! Doy! \*\*

Oh , shit the bed . Now I’m deficient and ignorant and people like me are the cause of all the world’s problems . I , on the other hand , think much of whats wrong is caused by a bunch of douchebags who feel they MUST force their morality on other people . I don’t want or need you to save me or show me the error of my wicked ways . pfffffff I’ll admit to being politicly incorrect . So fuckin what . Maybe too many people are just too sensitive . Wanna live in a world where everyone hugs each other and gets along ? Join a fuckin commune and stop whining . People have differences , its natural .

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**Author:** ![modro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@modro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/modro)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2003, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-letter-to-the-homophobes-ive-met/190625/80 "2003-07-28T05:08:59Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Snake \*  
> \*\*Oh , shit the bed . Now I’m deficient and ignorant and people like me are the cause of all the world’s problems . I , on the other hand , think much of whats wrong is caused by a bunch of douchebags who feel they MUST force their morality on other people . I don’t want or need you to save me or show me the error of my wicked ways . pfffffff I’ll admit to being politicly incorrect . So fuckin what . Maybe too many people are just too sensitive . Wanna live in a world where everyone hugs each other and gets along ? Join a fuckin commune and stop whining . People have differences , its natural . \*\*

Well, I wouldn’t want to give you hugs and sing songs by the camp fire, but I would like you to treat me the same as anyone else. Who a person sleeps with is truly a ridiculous thing to base your feelings on, and no one wants you to condone homosexuality, just to not judge people based solely on it. It’s really no different than not liking someone for being black, or latino, a woman, or a quadriplegic. If you are disgusted by homosexual acts, don’t watch them. You don’t have to, you don’t even have to like them.

Just don’t automatically judge the person who is performing them.

I might not agree with someone’s religious beliefs, but that doesn’t mean that I am going to disassociate myself from catholics. I just keep my beliefs to myself, and let them believe what they want.

You can’t really compare homosexuality to other “deviant” sexual acts, because it is not the same. The only difference between a straight man, and a gay man, is the equipment attached to the people they are attracted to. That’s it.

You can’t compare man/man sex with man/goat sex any more than I can compare man/woman sex to man/goat sex.

If I say I have sex with consenting adults in the privacy of my own home, with no intention of harming myself or the other person, I could be either gay or straight. The only difference is the genders of the people participating.

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