# Open-Minded Liberals Hold Hate Fest **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342 "2003-12-01T21:07:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/81 "2003-12-02T06:33:36Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Miller \* > Sorry, I missed a memo or something. Liberals aren’t supposed to hate people? Since when? I’ve been a liberal my entire life, and I hate all sorts of people, for a variety of reasons. George W, Richard Gere, Ronald Reagan, more than one poster on these boards, Saddam Hussein, Julia Roberts, Jesse Helms, the guy who taught my Intro to Journalism class back in '99… I got nothing against hate, it’s just about who you hate, and why._ Do you hate me? ---
**Author:** ![SnoopyFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@SnoopyFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnoopyFan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/82 "2003-12-02T06:36:37Z")
Is it me or is the idea of a “let’s sit around and hate someone” party reminiscent of an 8th grade slumber party? Maybe they’ll put Barbra Streisand’s bra in the freezer and call up Tommy Blair on the phone and tell him that President Bush said he was a British dork and that his wife is ugly. That’ll teach HIM to go to Iraq for Thanksgiving without their pre-approval!!! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/83 "2003-12-02T06:44:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\*Do you hate me? \*\* Hmm. Can’t recall. Let me check my list. This could take a while. _tum-te-tum-te-dum_ Yep, here you are! No, wait, my bad. That’s “Elis” with one L. Someone else entirely. **Barking Spider** is still on here! Damn, I gotta update this thing. Aaand… nope! You’re not on the list! Yet. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/84 "2003-12-02T07:00:37Z")
“Gorgonzola?” “Nope” “Mozzarella” “Usually say yes, today the van broke down…” “Stilton?” “Not as such, no…” ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/85 "2003-12-02T08:22:33Z")
All I know is that **hydronumbnuts’** OP looks like yet another example of the shallow tripe that conservatives are passing as debating points these days. All sound and fury, signifying nothing. (And, of course, it will draw more conservative nutjobs, like **Brutus,** into the collective wankfest. I expect **Doghouse Reilly** will drop by any minute now…) A tip for the kids: just because Rush and Bill and Ann use that technique doesn’t mean it’ll fly around here. Those folks wouldn’t last ten minutes on the SDMB before getting virtually vivisected for their limp-wristed arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Hydrocortisone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19b73/32.png) [@Hydrocortisone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hydrocortisone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/86 "2003-12-02T08:36:12Z")
> [@](#): > > If you can provide me with a cite showing that the liberals “supoorted” Stalin, Pol Pot, or the Viet Con, I will stop being a liberal and become a conservative for the rest of my life. Since you said “or” I guess I only have to provide a cite for one of these so: How about Jane Fonda’s support of the Viet Cong. Have fun voting conservative. [http://www.3rdmarines.net/Vietnam\_jane\_fonda\_in\_vietnam.htm](http://www.3rdmarines.net/Vietnam_jane_fonda_in_vietnam.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/87 "2003-12-02T08:39:08Z")
Well, there is also the Pulitzer that Duranty (?) received for basically acting as Stalin’s American propagandist. ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/88 "2003-12-02T08:49:38Z")
Um there’s a big difference between ‘a’ liberal and ‘the’ liberals. Did you read your own cite all the way through? > [@](#): > > Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along with a few fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the “Hanoi Jane” diatribe which still circulates on the Internet today. Only parts of it are true. There’s a link on that cite that leads to [http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm](http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm) that looks at it deeper. Fonda’s actions certainly are shameful. Esp her calling POWs liars. (that one is certainly inexcusable) But from what I can tell she did a tour made a shitty broadcast (which actually had a few decent points about the war) and that was it. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/89 "2003-12-02T09:19:43Z")
Well, at least he now seems to know how to spell “Viet Cong”. Of course, correct spelling does not a non-idiot make. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/90 "2003-12-02T14:29:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > A rotary engine? Oh yeah, that baby hums. I haven’t gone anywhere sufficiently far from civilization to try it out in a really serious way, but I love how fast it accelerates. Car and Driver says 0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds, and I must have come real close to that just getting on Central Expresswasy the other day. > [@](#): > > Remember our conversation at the Baby Superstore, if it was built after 2002 it is supposed to have the upper tether and two lower anchorage latches. Yep, they’re there. And I’m setting up an appointment to get them added to the Passat later this week, since that’s the primary baby transporter. > [@](#): > > I guess the 238 or 197 horsepower engine(standard 6-speed transmission versus automatic) on that RX-8 has to weigh in favor of you being a bugfucker though. 😛 I’m confused. Flat-panel TV in the kitchen = real man, but RX-8 = bugfucker. How does my tremendously large penis fit into the equation? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/91 "2003-12-02T14:53:29Z")
Ah, **Minty**. The new Dad. Coupla things you oughta know. Might as well chuck out your cologne. Doesn’t matter how much you got, how thoroughly you soak. You’ll smell like baby urp for months to come now. Its thier way of marking their territory and alerting young females that you are Not Available for Breeding. Kind of the Anti-Christ of pheromones. A baby can smell a clean white office shirt from one hundred yards. Targeting systems are optimal. Remember all that hypocritical crap your old man laid on you? Hope you were taking notes. You thought that sparkle in his eye was grandfatherly affection? Ha! Its the cold, clear joy of vengeance. Remember Dr. Suess? You love Dr. Suess, right? About three years from now, you’ll hate Dr. Suess. More than you could ever believe possible. Thing is, his charming alliteration, when read out loud, is like one of your vocal chords is trying to strangle the other. And you went and bought a cool car. Man, you are so _doomed!_ ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/92 "2003-12-02T15:37:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Una Persson \* > \*\*You heard the man. \*\* [American Family Association](http://www.afa.net/) [The Heritage Foundation](http://www.heritage.org/) [Offical Republican Party Plank](http://www.rnc.org/GOPInfo/Platform/2000platform4.htm): " We rely on the home, as did the founders of the American Republic, to instill the virtues that sustain democracy itself. That belief led Congress to enact the Defense of Marriage Act, which a Republican Department of Justice will energetically defend in the courts. For the same reason, we do not believe sexual preference should be given special legal protection or standing in law." The Alliance for Marriage How about the fact that every Senate sponsor for the Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment is a Republican. Need more? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/93 "2003-12-02T17:20:46Z")
According to the “Truth in Usernames Act” pending in Congress, **Hydrocortisone** would have to change his name to **Itching Powder**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/94 "2003-12-02T19:08:14Z")
As if you didn’t know… > **[Page Six](https://pagesix.com/)** > > Your source for celebrity news, gossip, entertainment, pop culture, photos, video and more. “CURB Your Enthusiasm” star Larry David’s wife Laurie created an enviable buzz for tonight’s political powwow of liberal Hollywood activists after _she dubbed it the “Hate Bush” event._ While the strategy session at the Beverly Hilton actually has the considerably less-inflammatory title, “A Mandatory Meeting to Change the Leadership in America in 2004,” Laurie, an avid environmentalist, caused a stir when she forwarded invites with the e-mail heading, “Hate Bush 12/2 Event.” (emphasis added) So it appears the redoubtable Mr. Sludge has ever so slightly spun the story. It was Ms. David who titled the meeting a “Hate Bush” rally on her own accord, a fact which seemed to slip past Mr. Sludge’s reportorial diligence. Of course, there remains the “perfidious lie”[sup]TM[/sup] that leadership in America is in need of change, rather than unanimous approval and support. But thats another story… ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/95 "2003-12-02T19:15:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > **Oh yeah, that baby hums. I haven’t gone anywhere sufficiently far from civilization to try it out in a really serious way, but I love how fast it accelerates. Car and Driver says 0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds, and I must have come real close to that just getting on Central Expresswasy the other day.** 60? On Central? What time was this? 4AM? Central is a freaking parking lot, no one goes 60 on Central. You could go up to 60 on the on ramp I guess, but you’d have to slow back down to 15 to merge, so what is the point? :)\*\* > [@](#): > > I’m confused. Flat-panel TV in the kitchen = real man, but RX-8 = bugfucker. How does my tremendously large penis fit into the equation? \*\* Beats me. I am not the origin of the “sporty/large automobile = compensating for small penis” equation. As for you particularly, the only advice I have for you is that [you should stay out of Iraq](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2893141#post2893141). Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/96 "2003-12-02T19:20:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*And you went and bought a cool car. Man, you are so _doomed!_ \*\* He has no idea. Soon, that cool car will have melted crayons on the upholstry, odd-colored stains from various kid excretions, weird food crumbs all over the place, toys hiding under the seats… ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/97 "2003-12-02T19:47:49Z")
OK, now, I admit that I’m not a real attentive student of history, but durring World War II (or at least during a goodly chunk of WW2) wasn’t Stalin on our side? Isn’t it generally considered good manners, during a time of war, to support one’s allies? ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/98 "2003-12-02T19:53:34Z")
Oh, yea. Another piece of advice. Put down a blanket or seat cover between the carseat and the upholstery. The hard plastic of the car seat will really mess up lots of types of seat covers. There are [special purpose mats designed for this](http://www.greatbabyproducts.com/carseatmat2stage.htm) or you can just double up a couple of receiving blankets or an old towel. I looked at the upholstery of my new van after having one of the car seats in it for a while and I could trace every outline of the car seat for days after moving it to a different position. I think the carseat you picked out has a fairly flat and smooth bottom, so it wouldn’t be as harsh as one with feet for example, but some protection for the upholstery in a new car is a good idea. Hard Plastic + Tight Straps + Soft Upholstery = Ruined Upholstery. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/99 "2003-12-02T20:01:09Z")
**Otto** : The problem was, after the war, when Stalin was crushing Eastern Europe under his heel and funding insurgency movements in Greece and Iran, there were American leftists wandering around stating that Stalin was still the best man in the world, that everything the Soviet Union was doing was just plain hunky-dory, and that the entire Cold War/Iron Curtain thing was the US’s fault for being just so darn tempermental. For a good example of this, look at the campaign of Henry Wallace, Progressive Party Candidate for President in 1948 (and former VP of FDR and cabinet member for FDR). I think the big problem is in the use of the term ‘liberal’. I think if what Hydro said- hell, for that matter, everything Ann Coulter says- were about “leftists”, and people recognized leftists as Communists, Socialists, and fellow travelers, then they’d see the truth in those statements. Leftists **do** hate the U.S., support our enemies, yadda yadda. The problem is when Coulter and Hydro use “liberal” instead of “leftist”, which is like saying “Walter Mondale” and meaning “Noam Chomsky”. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/100 "2003-12-02T20:14:11Z")
Attn: Worker bees **Hydrocortisone** , **Brutus** Plan to make conservatives look silly by posting obnoxious material in message boards working, stop. Creating a real buzz here, stop. Nobody is expecting the sting in our tail, stop. Carry on as before, stop. Signed, Chief Drone of the Liberal Hive Mind [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342.md?page=6)