# Open-Minded Liberals Hold Hate Fest **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342 "2003-12-01T21:07:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/101 "2003-12-02T20:19:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > The problem is when Coulter and Hydro use “liberal” instead of “leftist”, which is like saying “Walter Mondale” and meaning “Noam Chomsky”. Yeah, and that’s because they _do_ equate liberals with leftists. That whole “you’re either with us or you’re against us” thing, y’know? Which always gets a :rolleyes: from me – that sort of thinking may work for five-year-olds, but not for a grown adult, and _definitely_ not for the President of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/102 "2003-12-02T21:20:22Z")
> [@](#): > > …How does my tremendously large penis fit into the equation?.. I labor to phrase this with sufficient delicacy so as not to offend a Texan’s refined and fragile sensibilities… How to put this? Go look at the baby. Maybe, what, a foot and half long? 6-10 lbs, or there abouts… See where I’m going with this, podjo? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/103 "2003-12-02T21:40:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hydrocortisone \* > Yes, the liberals. Leaders of compassion and understanding. But what else can you expect from the people that supoorted Stalin, Pol Pot, and the Viet Con. > > [http://www.drudgereport.com/matthb.htm](http://www.drudgereport.com/matthb.htm) While others have mentioned Stalin, and **cuauhtemoc** (my new hero) has brilliantly addressed the Viet Con, nobody here has really discussed the connection between liberals and Pol Pot. Remember George McGovern? Good ol’ far-left George McGovern, who ran for President in 1972 on a get-us-out-of-Vietnam platform? When word of the Killing Fields of Cambodia leaked out of the darkness of that land, he rather forcefully suggested that we ought to go back in to that corner of the world and rescue the Cambodians from the savagery of Pol Pot’s rule. There. That was the liberal ‘supoort’ [sic] of Pol Pot. BTW, all them hawk conservatives wanted nothing to do with the idea. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/104 "2003-12-02T22:05:59Z")
But that was then, **RT** Before the rebirth, before our sins…Trujillo, Batista, Ngo, Diem, Pinochet, Uguarte, Samoza…were washed away and we were reborn as _virgo intacta_. Before we stood clothed in righteous virtue, the palladins of human rights and stern enemy of tyrants. I’ve heard it said that when a whore gets religion, they don’t let her into the choir. Not for her sins, but that she sings too loud. ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/105 "2003-12-03T01:02:58Z")
I hope **Shayna** doesn’t mind me quoting her Teddy Roosevelt quote from [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=226306), but it seems fairly pertinent considering **Hydro’s** idiotic claims of close/hive-mindedness and the like: _“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”_ - **Theodore Roosevelt, 1918** Oh, and **cuauhtemoc**? Congratulations on joining the great few whose posts have made me laugh so loud that people have given me funny looks. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/106 "2003-12-03T01:34:19Z")
Man, that must be some _loooooong_ game **hydrocortisone** is watching, eh? Way to abandon your own thread, dumbfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/107 "2003-12-03T01:47:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > \*\*I think the big problem is in the use of the term ‘liberal’. I think if what Hydro said- hell, for that matter, everything Ann Coulter says- were about “leftists”, and people recognized leftists as Communists, Socialists, and fellow travelers, then they’d see the truth in those statements. Leftists **do** hate the U.S., support our enemies, yadda yadda. The problem is when Coulter and Hydro use “liberal” instead of “leftist”, which is like saying “Walter Mondale” and meaning “Noam Chomsky”. \*\* All right, so educate a relatively clueless, but definitely left-wing foreigner. What exactly is a “leftist”? Chances are I am one under some people’s definition, and I certainly don’t hate the US. The current administration’s another matter, but the country as such, I absolutely love. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/108 "2003-12-03T02:12:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lezlers \* > Man, that must be some _loooooong_ game **hydrocortisone** is watching, eh? Are you sure you want to joke about this? **Hydro** might have run into trouble with pretzels during the game :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/109 "2003-12-03T02:30:23Z")
I’d join in. Sometimes Kate’s voice is really, really grating. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/110 "2003-12-03T03:23:18Z")
Thanks **Slacker** , **gatopescado** , **RTFirefly** and **Legolamb**. I knew making fun of the OP instead of arguing with it was a good call. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/111 "2003-12-03T04:01:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hydrocortisone \* > \*\*Since you said “or” I guess I only have to provide a cite for one of these so: > > How about Jane Fonda’s support of the Viet Cong. Have fun voting conservative. > > [http://www.3rdmarines.net/Vietnam\_jane\_fonda\_in\_vietnam.htm](http://www.3rdmarines.net/Vietnam_jane_fonda_in_vietnam.htm) \*\* Well, I don’t know how many liberals there are worldwide, but lets estimate 100,000,000 in the United States. You have 99,999,999 left to go before I become a conservative. Better get crackin’. Of course, **darkhold** was kind enough to inform us that your cite is total bullshit, so you’re actually back at 100,000,000. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/112 "2003-12-03T08:08:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > Chances are I am one under some people’s definition, and I certainly don’t hate the US. The current administration’s another matter, but the country as such, I absolutely love. [Hydrocortisone] You don’t support the administration?? :eek: Why do you hate America, **Coldfire?** [/Hydrocortisone] ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c37758/32.png) [@Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Owes_Bess)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/113 "2003-12-03T11:20:13Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by RT Firefly_ > Remember George McGovern? Good ol’ far-left George McGovern, who ran for President in 1972 on a get-us-out-of-Vietnam platform? > > When word of the Killing Fields of Cambodia leaked out of the darkness of that land, he rather forcefully suggested that we ought to go back in to that corner of the world and rescue the Cambodians from the savagery of Pol Pot’s rule. > > There. That was the liberal ‘supoort’ [sic] of Pol Pot. However, how about this McGovern quote prior to the Pol Pot takeover: > [@](#): > > “The growing hysteria of the administration’s posture on Cambodia,” declared Senator George McGovern, “seems to me to reflect a determined refusal to consider what the fall of the existing government in Phnom Penh would actually mean… We should be able to see that the kind of government which would succeed Lon Nol’s forces would most likely be a government … run by some of the best-educated, most able intellectuals in Cambodia.” Here’s a [LINK](http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=495) If you’re trying to claim that McGovern’s hands are clean, then you are full of it. As for you, **Hydrocortisone,** You will notice that when a topic that runs contrary to the most common mindset on SDMB is presented, half baked though it be, the normal protocols about ignoring minor typos is eagerly abandoned with gay (in the old sense) abandon. Quite a lot of gleeful mileage was gained by yr “Viet Con” typo, but never mind that. It is quite fascinating to note how successful you are in drawing such a lot of Dopers eager to pile on, not just in this post but in just about all of your other posts, no matter how imbecilic the topic (Hair styles? For Godsake). This being **December** and well into the festive season, I suggest you should consider, in the spirit of **Christmas,** giving some pointers to newcomers on how to ensure that their first post doesn’t crash dive into oblivion with zero responses. Do I hear a **Seconder** of this **December** Festive Season motion? ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c37758/32.png) [@Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Owes_Bess)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/114 "2003-12-03T12:06:22Z")
Hmmm, Am I in the right thread? I think this second bottle of Western Australian Chardonnay 2002 PB Burgoyne must have hit the spot early. I’ll re-assess trhe situation after i’ve had time to diggest this. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/115 "2003-12-03T12:18:20Z")
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**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/116 "2003-12-03T13:11:28Z")
Even the crickets are bored. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/117 "2003-12-03T15:57:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*All right, so educate a relatively clueless, but definitely left-wing foreigner. What exactly is a “leftist”? > > Chances are I am one under some people’s definition, and I certainly don’t hate the US. The current administration’s another matter, but the country as such, I absolutely love. \*\* Well, it’s hard to say, just because the system of political definition in the United States is seriously fucked up. But I tend to draw the distinction that leftists are those who see capitalism in any form as evil- generally, socialists and communists. If that seems a bit extreme, that’s what I mean- there are _maybe_ one or two elected officials in the United States today that I’d consider actually _leftist_. Certainly none of the Democrats currently running for President- Sharpton may be a populist demagouge, but that ain’t the same thing. I have yet to see you spout anything I’d consider leftist, **Coldie** , as you seem more interested in riding your motorcycles than in dismantling the modern corporate-state. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/118 "2003-12-03T16:05:02Z")
Hmmmm. Ride a motorcycle or seize the power from the palsied grasp of the greed-freak death junkies. Tough call. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/119 "2003-12-03T16:24:25Z")
**John Corrado** , that’s an interesting definition, but it seems a bit extreme; what you characterize as leftist I’d characterize as radical leftist. Just like I think there are plenty of rightwingers who don’t want to impose a theocracy, dismantle all federal bureaucracies, or try abortion providers for murder, I think there are plenty of leftists who think that a reasonably free market is an important (but by no means only) part of a good society. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342/120 "2003-12-03T16:32:35Z")
Well, **luci** , I don’t want a pickle. **Left Hand** - it’s all a matter of definition, and there’s no real good pre-set definition to fall into. (See **reeder** ’s “By this definition, I am a liberal” thread in GD). If what I call leftist, you call radical leftist, what defines the people you refer to as leftists? It’s all terms and definitions; when Ann Coutler screeds about liberals, she’s really talking about something else, and when liberals on this board rail about “conservatives” who sold videos that claims Bill Clinton ran drug operations out of Arkansas, they’re referring to something else as well. But it’s an easy debating tactic- misdefine what your opponent believes, and force them to either defend beliefs they don’t have or to look like a weasel for not defending them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-minded-liberals-hold-hate-fest/216342.md?page=7)