# Open Secrets in Hollywood: what else is out there? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995 "2017-10-15T22:57:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/21 "2017-10-19T16:53:45Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > …basically everyone is or isn’t or may be gay in Hollywood And on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/22 "2017-10-19T19:17:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There were rumors that Hugh Hefner was gay. > > If true, you have to be impressed by how far he went in denial. Well, Hefner acknowledged trying gay sex, just for fun and to satisfy his curiosity. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/23 "2017-10-19T20:14:04Z")
It’s a dated entertainment model sustained only by dumb 18-30s watching super heroes and zombies? ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/24 "2017-10-20T15:12:37Z")
Not relevant, but slightly related, I’ve always found it comical that gay stars are hooked up with ‘straight’ partners (through contracts!) and are supposed to appear in public looking Deeply In Love, holding hands, indulging in PDAs. Arrangements, exactly like their forebears, since movies STARTED. I think of it as ‘Rock Hudson-ing’. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/25 "2017-10-20T17:07:41Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Not relevant, but slightly related, I’ve always found it comical that gay stars are hooked up with ‘straight’ partners (through contracts!) and are supposed to appear in public looking Deeply In Love, holding hands, indulging in PDAs. Arrangements, exactly like their forebears, since movies STARTED. I think of it as ‘Rock Hudson-ing’. Is it still 1957 where you live? Other than the Scientologists, nobody bothers with beards nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/26 "2017-10-21T20:49:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is it still 1957 where you live? > > Other than the Scientologists, nobody bothers with beards nowadays. It _is_ still amazingly common. Oprah still has Stedman. Alexander Skarsgard and Ellen Page “dated” for awhile. Since Ellen was fairly well known as a lesbian, this just enhanced the rumors about Skarsgard. Then she came officially out and made a big deal about being a lesbian all along. This is one of the problems with these deals. One of the “pair” comes out and that just reinforces the rumors about the other person. Cf. Sarah Gilbert and you-know-who. What would be shocking is if someone widely assumed as gay wasn’t. Maybe Richard Simmons has been secretly and happily married to a woman for decades and they’ve raised a bunch of kids. That kind of thing. Speaking of DiCaprio: the big secret is that he’s a crappy actor.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/27 "2017-10-22T03:23:42Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > What would be shocking is if someone widely assumed as gay wasn’t. Maybe Richard Simmons has been secretly and happily married to a woman for decades and they’ve raised a bunch of kids. That kind of thing. Actually there are widespread rumors that Simmons is straight and just adopted his hyper-gay persona because it sold products. Plus…you know…he’s crazy. Another example is Alicia Keys. For a long time, she simply refused to say anything about her romantic life. She just said it was private and nobody else’s business. She was right but this is exactly the kind of thing that gay people often say if they wish to conceal that they’re gay. So the rumor got started that Keys was a lesbian. But, no, it turns out that what Keys was concealing was that she had a boyfriend - who was married to another woman. Her boyfriend eventually split from his wife and Keys went public with the relationship. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/28 "2017-10-22T14:41:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is it still 1957 where you live? > > Other than the Scientologists, nobody bothers with beards nowadays. That’s your opinion. You’re naive, like my mother. You obviously are unaware of gossip sites, ‘blind item’ sites, and are the type who would have, in the past, been shocked, SHOCKED, to learn Rock Hudson was gay and died from AIDS. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/29 "2017-10-22T15:11:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is it still 1957 where you live? > > Other than the Scientologists, nobody bothers with beards nowadays. Actually, from what I have read greater acceptance of gays has led to even more adverse effects on career prospects. Apparently, there are several types of roles which are out if you are openly gay. Like action hero, leading man. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/30 "2017-10-22T16:12:59Z")
Article on Vulture here: [James Toback Accused of Sexual Harassment by Over 30 Women](http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/james-toback-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-over-30-women.html) > [@](#): > > James Toback, a director and writer perhaps best known for his work in the films Bugsy and Two Girls and a Guy, has been accused by nearly 40 women of repeated instances of sexual harassment. In a new bombshell feature in the Los Angeles Times, these women — who were often in their early ‘20s — allege that Toback followed a specific pattern in order to make them feel vulnerable and acquiesce to his sexual requests: He would approach them in various stores around New York City, boast about his successful career with newspaper clippings or articles as proof, and then promise to make them “stars” if they became intimate with him when they finally met for a meeting. More often than not, these meetings would lead to Toback inquiring about the woman’s masturbation history and how she kept her pubic hair; as well as Toback masturbating or dry-humping in front of the woman if they were in private. Other times, he would ejaculate onto the woman’s body or into his pants. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/31 "2017-10-22T16:24:33Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Actually, from what I have read greater acceptance of gays has led to even more adverse effects on career prospects. Apparently, there are several types of roles which are out if you are openly gay. Like action hero, leading man. Action hero is a problem. Leading man somewhat less so, gay male actors have been able to find parts as romantic leads. But they still get questioned on their ability to pull off the role of straight man as the action hero, and sometimes other roles. The argument is that it’s a matter of public perception, that a gay man will be more critically examined in the role of a straight man, not to mention the assumption that a leading man character is straight whether or not it’s a necessary component of the role. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/32 "2017-10-23T15:45:54Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > What would be shocking is if someone widely assumed as gay wasn’t. Maybe Richard Simmons has been secretly and happily married to a woman for decades and they’ve raised a bunch of kids. That kind of thing. The Doctor Who special “The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot” played with this. Davison, Baker, and McCoy are mortified to discover the John Barrowman is married, has two children, and drives a minivan. I was a little shocked to find out that Andrew Ridgeley is het and in a relationship with Keren Woodward of Bananarama. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Poo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed8c4c/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Poo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Poo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/33 "2017-10-23T17:51:33Z")
That Dan Schneider is a paedophile, he’s responsible for a lot of popular kids shows. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/34 "2017-10-23T20:35:03Z")
Yes, there are rumors on the Internet about Dan “Get in the Van” Schneider. They seem to be based mostly on his Nickelodeon shows having lots of scenes involving feet, suggesting that he’s using underage actresses to indulge a foot fetish. And some pics of him being touchy-feely with actresses, lots of hugging and having them sit on his lap. ---
**Author:** ![adhemar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@adhemar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhemar)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/35 "2017-10-23T21:20:19Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > It _is_ still amazingly common. Oprah still has Stedman. Alexander Skarsgard and Ellen Page “dated” for awhile. Since Ellen was fairly well known as a lesbian, this just enhanced the rumors about Skarsgard. Then she came officially out and made a big deal about being a lesbian all along. > > This is one of the problems with these deals. One of the “pair” comes out and that just reinforces the rumors about the other person. Cf. Sarah Gilbert and you-know-who. > > What would be shocking is if someone widely assumed as gay wasn’t. Maybe Richard Simmons has been secretly and happily married to a woman for decades and they’ve raised a bunch of kids. That kind of thing. > > Speaking of DiCaprio: the big secret is that he’s a crappy actor.😛 Tony Randal was often thought to be gay but he had two wives and several children, a couple of them after he was 75. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/36 "2017-10-23T21:33:31Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Speaking of DiCaprio: the big secret is that he’s a crappy actor.😛 About the only people who think that are former adolescents who are still butthurt that girls (or boys) they liked had a crush on him back in the Titanic days. Or right-wingers who wish he’s shut up about that environmental and altruism crap already. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/37 "2017-10-23T22:19:09Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Article on Vulture here: [James Toback Accused of Sexual Harassment by Over 30 Women](http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/james-toback-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-over-30-women.html) The December 1989 issue of _Spy_ magazine had a major article on Toback detailing every move and presenting a chart of dozens of women giving his pick-up lines. This was a year or two after _The Pick-Up Artist_ appeared. The whole issue can be found on [scribd.com](http://scribd.com). ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/38 "2017-10-23T23:26:03Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The December 1989 issue of _Spy_ magazine had a major article on Toback detailing every move and presenting a chart of dozens of women giving his pick-up lines. This was a year or two after _The Pick-Up Artist_ appeared. The whole issue can be found on [scribd.com](http://scribd.com). Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/39 "2017-10-24T00:18:43Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The December 1989 issue of _Spy_ magazine had a major article on Toback detailing every move and presenting a chart of dozens of women giving his pick-up lines. This was a year or two after _The Pick-Up Artist_ appeared. The whole issue can be found on [scribd.com](http://scribd.com). Over on Twitter, Glenn Whipp says that since the LA Times published the story on Sunday, he has been contacted by another \*\*193 \*\*women. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/40 "2017-10-24T00:35:17Z")
[Nastassja Kinski and Toback in a 1983 Playboy photo shoot.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/80/fe/d5/80fed54ff3b8d5d4c208e42efefc0c80.jpg) Yes, Kinski is undressed in some of them (but not in the link!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995.md?page=3)