# Open Secrets in Hollywood: what else is out there? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995 "2017-10-15T22:57:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/101 "2017-11-01T15:49:37Z")
[Brett Ratner](http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html), come on down! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/102 "2017-11-01T15:59:13Z")
[Dustin Hoffman,](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/dustin-hoffman-sexually-harassed-me-i-was-17-guest-column-1053466) you’re up. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/103 "2017-11-01T16:18:35Z")
I’m very heartened by the fact that so many men and women have come forward with their stories, regardless of the fame and success level of those they say behaved poorly. Punishing doers of evil is only a very small part of this. The much bigger part is to reinforce that it’s _always acceptable_ for someone to come forward and tell their story if they think someone sexually harassed or assaulted them, no matter their fame or success. Not just for those victims who have stayed silent, but for future victims who will hopefully feel much more comfortable to call out bad actors in the moment or in the immediate aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/104 "2017-11-01T16:57:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m very heartened by the fact that so many men and women have come forward with their stories, regardless of the fame and success level of those they say behaved poorly. > > Punishing doers of evil is only a very small part of this. The much bigger part is to reinforce that it’s _always acceptable_ for someone to come forward and tell their story if they think someone sexually harassed or assaulted them, no matter their fame or success. Not just for those victims who have stayed silent, but for future victims who will hopefully feel much more comfortable to call out bad actors in the moment or in the immediate aftermath. By far the most powerful way to remove the stigma of being victimized is for victims to come forward. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/105 "2017-11-01T17:01:34Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > House of Cards has suspended production due to this charge. Hard to say what will happen yet. It certainly makes some of the storyline more realistic. No Netflix didn’t suspend production at all, and didn’t stop production due to this charge. Netflix had decided that season six was going to be the last season before the story broke, and they’re already done with filming it. The announcement is in print magazines that were printed before Rapp came forward. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/106 "2017-11-01T17:26:14Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > No Netflix didn’t suspend production at all, and didn’t stop production due to this charge. Netflix had decided that season six was going to be the last season before the story broke, and they’re already done with filming it. The announcement is in print magazines that were printed before Rapp came forward. Hmm. You sound like you know this, and I don’t disbelieve you, but that is very different from what the press is reporting. > [@](#): > > CNN: Production on the sixth and final season of “House of Cards” has been halted after star Kevin Spacey was accused of sexual assault by an actor who claims he was a minor at the time of the alleged incident. > Netflix and Media Rights Capital, which produces the series, confirmed the move in a joint statement issued Tuesday. > “MRC and Netflix have decided to suspend production on ‘House of Cards’ season six, until further notice, to give us time to review the current situation and to address any concerns of our cast and crew,” the statement read. > [@](#): > > Washington Post: Amid a scandal involving lead actor Kevin Spacey, Netflix and production company Media Rights Capital said in a statement Tuesday that they would suspend production on the political drama’s sixth season “until further notice, to give us time to review the current situation and to address any concerns of our cast and crew.” > [@](#): > > [Deadline.com](http://Deadline.com): Filming on the upcoming sixth and final season of Netflix’s Washington D.C.-set drama House of Cards has been suspended indefinitely. Cast and crew of the MRC-produced series were told of the shutdown this morning. > [@](#): > > BBC: Production of the sixth season of Netflix series House of Cards has been suspended following sexual assault allegations against actor Kevin Spacey. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/107 "2017-11-01T17:26:58Z")
[BREAKING: NPR News Chief Michael Oreskes says he’s resigning following sexual harassment allegations.](https://twitter.com/AP/status/925754634257489920) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/108 "2017-11-01T17:29:57Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > Also, he has a very notorious feud with Jon Lovitz. Lots of bad blood between them, for 20 years already. > > According to Jon Lovitz, it seems that, in Christmas 1997, Andy Dick gave Brynn Hartman (wife of Phil Hartmann, and a recovering addict) cocaine. This apparently sent her back into a spiral of addiction and self-destruction that culminated in her murdering Phil Hartman and committing suicide later. > > Jon Lovitz and Phil Hartman were bosom friends, and Lovitz never forgave Andy Dick for this. Now - all this is according to Jon Lovitz. But many people accept this version of events. I’ve heard some of the SNL stars either elude to or out right accuse A. Whitney Brown of getting Chris Farley on heroin and causing his death. > [@Gyrate](#): > > From my very limited experience of the theatrical world (and that only in local rep), “sordid” covers it pretty well regardless of the sexual orientation of the people involved. Although my experience in the area is just hearing the stories, times your experiences by 100 when talking about the New York scene. Rapp’s story begins with him meeting Spacey at the Limelight which was a notorious NYC club that wasn’t big on checking IDs or caring how much coke you brought in. The movie Party Monster is about the club a few years later. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/109 "2017-11-01T17:32:43Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Hmm. You sound like you know this, and I don’t disbelieve you, but that is very different from what the press is reporting. It was my understanding that it was already going to be the last season but the filming had not been completed. Spacey was reported to have not been on the set when the story broke and his scenes may have already been completed. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/110 "2017-11-01T17:42:19Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Hmm. You sound like you know this, and I don’t disbelieve you, but that is very different from what the press is reporting. Actually, I was thinking ‘filming with Kevin Spacey’ not production - they announced that they were already done filming him and that he wasn’t scheduled to do any more. I think the ‘we have stopped production’ is more of a publicity move than a real decision, so I was dismissing it, but they have announced that they are temporarily stopping production. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/111 "2017-11-01T17:59:03Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Certainly. Kevin Spacey. All we’ve heard are assertions and rumors. He says he doesn’t recall the incident but apologized anyway. That is far from a confession of guilt. He’s probably guilty but that ‘probably’ worries me and it should worry all of us. Would you deny that his career is in the toilet? It’s been a week. We’ve no idea what will happen to his career. If he’s just out of A-list work for a year, so what? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/112 "2017-11-01T18:11:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If he’s just out of A-list work for a year, so what? Then we’ve lost a great actor for a year, that’s what. And it’s possible he may not return to acting. That may not bother you but it does me. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/113 "2017-11-01T18:18:46Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Then we’ve lost a great actor for a year, that’s what. And it’s possible he may not return to acting. That may not bother you but it does me. Perhaps it will be some small comfort to you that many victims now feel much less afraid of coming forward and telling the truth of how they were mistreated. Seems like a bargain to me. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/114 "2017-11-01T19:43:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Perhaps it will be some small comfort to you that many victims now feel much less afraid of coming forward and telling the truth of how they were mistreated. > > Seems like a bargain to me. Real victims, yes. People who claim the status for a trivial incident decades ago, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/115 "2017-11-01T19:45:09Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Real victims, yes. People who claim the status for a trivial incident decades ago, not so much. What’s real and what’s trivial? Who makes that delineation? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/116 "2017-11-01T19:56:35Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Real victims, yes. People who claim the status for a trivial incident decades ago, not so much. So if you were alone at a party and I were to approach you, grab you, carry you to the bed, then laid on top of you holding you in place until you struggled free, you’d be cool with that ‘trivial incident’? What would make it non-trivial - would I need to remove some clothes, or get further along in touching you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/117 "2017-11-01T20:17:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Real victims, yes. People who claim the status for a trivial incident decades ago, not so much. It doesn’t matter whether you think it’s trivial or not. It’s always okay to tell the truth about something that happened to you against your will. It doesn’t matter who did it. It’s always okay, and shame on anyone who suggests that sometimes it’s not okay. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/118 "2017-11-01T21:16:37Z")
[More people come forward about Kevin Spacey.](http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41829484) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/119 "2017-11-01T21:17:58Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Then we’ve lost a great actor for a year, that’s what. And it’s possible he may not return to acting. That may not bother you but it does me. Do you have a graph we could borrow that demonstrates how good an actor one must be to negate a given severity of crime? We’d hate to upset your movie watching any more than we already have. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995/120 "2017-11-01T23:28:28Z")
> [@adhemar](#): > > Tony Randal was often thought to be gay but he had two wives and several children, a couple of them after he was 75. Randall was married to his first wife, Florence, for 54 years. His second wife emphatically says he was straight. I’ve always thought this was probably a case of people confusing an actor with the roles he plays. Rock Hudson, Van Johnson, and Cary Grant were also confused with their (straight) screen personas. On a separate note, I have to wonder whether Hollywood/the entertainment industry has more open secrets than politics, business,or medicine, or education, or if it just seems that way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/open-secrets-in-hollywood-what-else-is-out-there/798995.md?page=7)