# Opinion poll - Dem nomination: Who will win. Why? Result? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 3, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063 "2008-02-03T04:34:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/61 "2008-02-05T20:32:03Z")
My boss is a political consultant, and I am not bragging or exaggerating when I say that he is very connected to high-level insiders in Hillary’s campaign. He’s been working very closely with one of her biggest fund raisers, who also happens to be a close, personal friend of the Clintons (this guy and his wife have dinner with the Clintons at each others homes – just the 2 couples – from time to time). My boss came in to the office this morning very dejected and surly. I asked him why he was so grumpy, saying, “I thought you had so much confidence in your girl.” And he said, “Not anymore. It’s not looking good.” ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/62 "2008-02-05T20:37:30Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I still don’t see how Obama is supposed to resemble Carter, except for the Beltway-outsider factor. [/QUOTE] They both seem to have integrity that many other politicians lack. But Obama knows how to work with a legislature to get things done. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/63 "2008-02-05T21:00:41Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] My boss is a political consultant, and I am not bragging or exaggerating when I say that he is very connected to high-level insiders in Hillary’s campaign. He’s been working very closely with one of her biggest fund raisers, who also happens to be a close, personal friend of the Clintons (this guy and his wife have dinner with the Clintons at each others homes – just the 2 couples – from time to time). My boss came in to the office this morning very dejected and surly. I asked him why he was so grumpy, saying, “I thought you had so much confidence in your girl.” And he said, “Not anymore. It’s not looking good.” [/QUOTE] Well quite frankly it’s not looking good for Clinton. Again, I have nothing against them as people, nothing much at all. I’d love ot have dinner with them. But I do not think this country needs another Clinton in the white house. Barack is gaining speed, and I do believe he’s going to come out on top. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/64 "2008-02-05T21:13:33Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] In a much less favorable environment four years ago, and while being a weaker candidate than either of these two, Kerry lost to Bush nationally by 2.5% of the vote. I think either one of them will be a nontrivial improvement over Kerry. [/QUOTE] But McCain may be a nontrivial improvement over Bush, at least in the eyes of many “independent” voters. Anyway this type of math never works out. In 2004, many of us said “It was so close in 2000, and since then Bush has alienated far more voters than he’s gained, so it’ll be an easy win for the Democrats.” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/65 "2008-02-05T22:07:43Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] For the rest of time, or eighteen months after a Republican takes the White House, whichever comes first. [/QUOTE] Let’s hope for the former. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/66 "2008-02-05T22:39:40Z")
I think Obama will pull it out in the end. His energetic calls to mind the Kennedy campaign of 1960. Hillary had a 7-point lead in my state in the last poll, but I’m thinking Obama will carry MN tonight. We shall see. In the general election there looks to be two big issues shaping up (if Obama gets the nod). Iraq and age. McCain will say Obama wants to surrender in Iraq while Obama will attack him for open-ended support for a war that never should have been fought. McCain will be the butt of endless talk of his age (and jokes from the late-night guys) and he will try to turn that to his advantage by highlighting his experience. Race will be a factor too, but I expect it will not be decisive. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/67 "2008-02-05T22:47:15Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Lance Murdoch] I\…Obama will attack him for open-ended support for a war that never should have been fought. McCain will be the butt of endless talk of his age (and jokes from the late-night guys) and he will try to turn that to his advantage by highlighting his experience. Race will be a factor too, but I expect it will not be decisive. [/QUOTE] I suspect Obama to continue to be Obama when he and McCain are debating. He’ll out talk the guy for one, and neither of them are very curt when talking in debates. McCain will pull the slow calculated monologues and Obama will listen intently and respond quickly and decisively. They may quibble but I don’t think you’ll see a blood bath, unless I am reading this whole thing wrong… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/68 "2008-02-05T23:01:40Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] My boss is a political consultant, and I am not bragging or exaggerating when I say that he is very connected to high-level insiders in Hillary’s campaign. He’s been working very closely with one of her biggest fund raisers, who also happens to be a close, personal friend of the Clintons (this guy and his wife have dinner with the Clintons at each others homes – just the 2 couples – from time to time). My boss came in to the office this morning very dejected and surly. I asked him why he was so grumpy, saying, “I thought you had so much confidence in your girl.” And he said, “Not anymore. It’s not looking good.” [/QUOTE] Was there a similar attitude on his part before NH? I’ll believe it when the numbers come in. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/69 "2008-02-05T23:09:31Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Was there a similar attitude on his part before NH? I’ll believe it when the numbers come in. [/QUOTE] They’re starting to in my neck of the woods (CT) and I’m smiling. We shall see. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/70 "2008-02-05T23:28:30Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Was there a similar attitude on his part before NH? I’ll believe it when the numbers come in. [/QUOTE] No, actually. He’s been quite, shall we say, cocky about things right up until yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Juggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/juggler/32/3194_2.png) [@Juggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juggler)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/71 "2008-02-05T23:58:08Z")
[Offtopic] What happens to the delegates “assigned” to drop-outs? I noticed Edwards has 26 delegates but he has choosen to not run. Will the delegates still vote for him in the August convention or will they abstain? Perhaps they flip a coin? [/OT] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/72 "2008-02-06T00:00:02Z")
[QUOTE=Juggler] [Offtopic] What happens to the delegates “assigned” to drop-outs? I noticed Edwards has 26 delegates but he has choosen to not run. Will the delegates still vote for him in the August convention or will they abstain? Perhaps they flip a coin? [/OT] [/QUOTE] They’re now uncommitted, so both Clinton and Obama will woo them. Not a process you want to watch. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/73 "2008-02-06T00:05:01Z")
NPR: The polls just closed in Georgia, exit polls show Obama winning. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/74 "2008-02-06T00:21:28Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] NPR: The polls just closed in Georgia, exit polls show Obama winning. [/QUOTE] ABC news just interrupted Jeopardy to announce Barack projected winner of Georgia… Ok this happened a few minutes ago. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/75 "2008-02-06T00:30:35Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] ABC news just interrupted Jeopardy to announce Barack projected winner of Georgia… Ok this happened a few minutes ago. [/QUOTE] According to [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) (right on the main page), Obama took Georgia with 66% to Clinton’s 28%. Was this sort of result expected or did Obama rack up as large a win as it appears to be? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/76 "2008-02-06T00:35:32Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] According to [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) (right on the main page), Obama took Georgia with 66% to Clinton’s 28%. Was this sort of result expected or did Obama rack up as large a win as it appears to be? [/QUOTE] And ABC News is reporting [**Obama 86% support to Clinton’s 13%**](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4243619&page=1)! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/77 "2008-02-06T01:39:57Z")
I think it’s Clinton vs McCain sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/78 "2008-02-06T03:28:48Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Campaigning for him from day one in CT got us campaign passes…we worked the event as much as attended. I’ll tell you one thing that I am already sure you know, if he get’s the nom we were witnessing the next president last night. 😃 ROCK ON BARACK! It’s interesting, I have not bee this fired up about a candidate ever in an election, I’m a 30-something so I haven’t had a great pool of people to vote for. Bill Clinton was the last person I voted for who I really enjoyed. I have nothing much against he or his wife personally, but there is no way I’d cast my vote for her, no way no how. I want to be inspired, I want to know my president is going to work for me and my family, I want to understand him when he speaks on television. Barack is under NO misconceptions that he will have it easy when in office, as a matter of fact he knows he got a shit load of cleaning up to do. I trust him to do it. I do not trust Hilary to run this country. We are all democrats in this race, I understand that, but Obama is a representative for me of a 21st century president - and I can’t wait to see the battleground after today and acerss what falls out from this primary. I do believe he is going to do quite well across the country. [/QUOTE] **CBS has just called CT for Obama!** A HUGE thank you for all your hard work in that state, **Phlosphr**! YOU ROCK!! ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/79 "2008-02-06T05:29:30Z")
[QUOTE=lee] But Obama knows how to work with a legislature to get things done. [/QUOTE] By voting ‘Present’? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063/80 "2008-02-06T05:30:37Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] By voting ‘Present’? [/QUOTE] Oooh, buuuuurn. He’s gonna get into the White House and vote present. Suck on that, Obama supporters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinion-poll-dem-nomination-who-will-win-why-result/436063.md?page=5)