Opinions on bariatric surgery?

GingerOfTheNorth linked me to this thread…

I had the duodenal switch (“DS”) in November of 2002 and lost about 110lbs in about 10 months. I eat any foods I want (including sweets) and in fairly normal quantities, and I’m maintaining my weight. The thing that I like about the DS over the RNY is that I don’t have a long list of foods I can’t eat, and I’m not limited to 1oz meals for the rest of my life. The DS also has a higher success rate and a much lower re-gain rate. My surgeon has actually done a number of RNY-to-DS revisions.

I recently had my plastic surgery done to remove the excess skin and sags (for most bariatric surgery patients, plastic surgery is an issue of ‘when’ not ‘if’… keep that in mind.)

More information: http://www.duodenalswitch.com

Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

Pun unintended? :wink:

We did counseling for a while, and I didn’t like the guy. He kept trying to change me when I happen to like me just the way I am, and would not address her co-dependency and other problems. I’m a guy and I think almost exclusively by logic because I’m an engineer by profession, and the pshrink could not get past that. He wanted my to get more emotion built in to my thought process.

I also happen to think I’m not a jerk; I don’t drag my knuckles or slap around my wife. Sorry this is turning into a rant, but I want to establish my point of view for the discussion.

Things have gotten a little bit better between us since we moved, but I believe that to be a function of geographic separation from everyone she was trying to get attention from. Without those other people (family, some friends) around, she’s had to operate without a net, and simply been forced to deal with life a little more. Just not enough for her to come to her senses and really change her ways.

I researched this before, and the short version is this: the number of people who regain all the weight is about the same for weight losers via surgery and weight losers via dieting…they put it back on at the same clip.

I know eight people over the years, and the results are like this:

1 had almost no wieght loss, or so little as to be imperceivable
2 died, they lost a lot very fast, gained alot very fast, then died from complications
5 lost it and have regained the weight (one is about 70% as big as she was. But we can see where she is headed.)

In addition, a lady that works for me, about 35 y.o had it done about 3 months ago, and the general buzz around the office is that no one can see any difference. Additionally, there are daily reports about what she eats ("Oh, she ate chicken fingers and hot wings, etc). I mean, I include that as part of the consideration for the stuff you have to deal with or knows goes on.

Only if you thought it was funny :cool:

Counselors are like doctors and churches; you may have to try a number of them before you find one you “click” with; however, it’s always hard for relationship dynamics to change, and when one of you doesn’t actually want to change, it’s damned near impossible.

It’s not going to work unless you really want to lose the weight. if vunderbob’s wife doesn’t want to lose, the surgery would be a waste. In fact, I don’t think she’d pass the psychological evaluation that was required by the insurance company and the clinic. I almost didn’t pass it, because the psychiatrist felt that though I had tried many different diet plans and strategies before, I hadn’t stuck with them. When we discussed that I hadn’t stuck with them because they didn’t work, and that I could stick to the plan, she approved me. It was a little more complicated than that, but on every section of the evaluation I had scored very well…so normal, in fact, that she had trouble finding anything to discuss with me. Compliance was her only concern. Anyone who has scores that indicate problems would have a much harder time getting approved.

In theory, if you just eat tiny portions, avoid the wrong foods and exercise, you could lose the weight. And after surgery, when I was satisfied after a small portion, I asked myself the same thing. But the reality is that without the surgery, your body isn’t satisfied, and there is nothing but willpower to keep you from eating just a bit more, and a bit more. The hunger pangs when you are trying to limit yourself are awful. The cravings are intense. You think about nothing else. For someone who has to lose a lot, the stress of eating so little when your body is doubled up in hunger is immense. And then to be rewarded, at the end of the week with a weight loss of a pound or two is depressing.

With the surgery, the results are so dramatic and immediate that I at least am eager to stick with the restrictions. And there are no cravings. I’m full, satisfied, and the thought of another bite is non-existent. I’m aware that the cravings may return, but by then I will be more able to handle them appropriately. And you are encouraged to develop other ways of coping…hobbies, activities, etc. to deal with your needs that were met by food before.

My friend had the surgery two years ago, and lost 120 pounds. If you look at her plate at a potluck dinner (as I have) you wouldn’t know she was restricted in what she can eat. But now she eats a normal amount. After the first few months, you are back to eating three meals a day, about 1-1/2 to 2 cups per meal. You can’t shovel it in in a hurry…you have to take time and eat more slowly, pacing it out to 30-45 minutes per meal. And you have to exercise. But you are able to exercise!

It’s not for everyone. And it helps to have support. I was shocked to hear people in my group talking about husbands who are reluctant to lose weight because people will treat them differently…“He won’t be Big Dan anymore” was one comment. They were afraid they would lose friends if they lost weight. And our group leader said his personality changed with his weight loss. Now he’s not a skinny guy, but he has lost (I might be wrong) over 250 pounds. And he says he will not be ignored anymore, like he was when he was huge. He is more confident, very outgoing and extremely funny. Fortunately for me, all my friends have been supportive, as have my family. The only person NOT thrilled has been my ex-husband (the man who left me in part because of my weight, who tried to sabotage every serious weight loss attempt). He’s worried I’m losing weight too fast. Didn’t want me fat, but doesn’t want me to lose. He has more problems than me!

Depends on what surgery they had. The RNY has a very high instance of weight re-gain. (All they have to do is eat enough to stretch their ‘pouch’ and the weight comes back.) For the DS, which I had, the rate of regain is very low, because the stomach is supposed to stretch to a normal size–the weight stays off because of the changes they make to the intestines. Regain is very uncommon with the DS.

Bariatric surgery is very risky, but a large part of the reason for that is that morbidly obese people are a high risk group for any type of surgery.

I think kittenblue said it best when she said (bolding mine), “But you are able to exercise.”

You don’t know by looking at someone who is (by your definition) not fat enough or “relatively active” for surgery. Like I said, I was 220 and was considered morbidly obese. I may have looked like I could lose weight the “old fashioned” way, but when I hurt my back, I was no longer able to exercise. The weight kept coming as a result, causing more pain and inability to function as a normal person.

A person who is overweight enough for surgery most likely has a hard time losing weight, despite best efforts, because of physiological reasons like thyroid problems or a slower metabolism or physical pain, so it may not work the same as everyone else. The surgery is a tool to shed the weight and get a head start, so that we can be “normal”. “Normal” people exercise and eat several small meals a day. I wasn’t able to do that before. Because of the surgery, I can.

OpalCat, I looked into the DS, but my doctor said because of my IBD I may have trouble with the side effects. But I do eat whatever I want (still afraid of steak, though–too dense), even sugar. If I have dessert once in a while when eating out, my mother and I will share it and only eat half of our half, but at least I’m not totally deprived. I have to be careful, though. I’m glad your surgery worked out for you. I hope you’re happy with your plastic surgery. I’ve got to apply for Extreme Makeover to get mine, it’s so expensive! :wink:

I am no expert, but the different surgeries do different things, some of which are impossible without the surgeries. My husband told me about a study that found that one of the surgeries seems to help diabetes, for example.

The ones that reduce stomach capacity make it easier to control eating quantities. The ones that bypass intestines make it easier to reduce caloric intake. If the overweight person’s problem is that they have uncontrolled hunger, these things can make weightloss possible.

True, but as I desribed in my first post, I meant those on shows like “I lost it” and so on, who, at least not by what they said, had no trouble exercising, because by what they said, they started exercising (with personal trainers and the whole 9 yards) as soon as they were healed by the surgery.

Of course folks who are disable in some way wouldn’t be able to do everything, but people would be surprised at how they could modify different moves and so on to work for them if they are injured or disabled.

Again, my questions were more from the angle of those that obviously COULD exercise and weren’t disabled. Both because they were filmed walking around with no apparent difficulty, and they didn’t (at least not in the interview) state that they had physical disabilities, and also because directly after healing from the surgery, there they were in the gym pumping iron, and wasn’t directed at those with physical limitations.

Also, I was curious as to the 'people with uncontrolled appetites" issue, according to the info I’ve seen, the surgery doesn’t work unless the person sticks to the proper portion sizes and types of food, otherwise, as another poster stated, they’d find themselves right back up to their former size. That according to what I’ve seen and read, the stomach could be “stretched” back out so as to start accomodating large portion sizes, and “unauthorized” foods again.

Sorry, I don’t mean to be a downer here. I was wondering what is different and more positive about the procedure than what I’ve seen and read.

CanvasShoes, I thought your question was sincere and not patronizing. Most women who weigh 300 pounds have trouble moving and getting exercise. By the time you feel much like getting on your feet, you have probably already lost 25 pounds or so and can actually feel the difference. That helps to motivate you psychologically. Meanwhile, you can’t eat much of anything. It was weeks before I could eat anything but baby food.

The pain that is caused by eating too much or (for some people) eating certain foods helps to train you not to eat those foods. Many or most people begin to shy away from fats and sugars because they make them feel so bad.

My surgeon told me that most people regain about 1/3 of the weight that they lose when they have the RNY. He had also lost 1 in 400 patients and that was several months after the surgery. I was also aware that my chances of longterm survival at the weight that I had were not looking good. (My sister had a heart attack at 58. And heart disease is a problem in my family.)

All of the research that I have read indicates that the surgery is more successful than dieting and exercise. Still, I might have regained much more weight without the topomax to control compulsive eating behaviors.

Child, you have opened my eyes! Since I had previously had problems with anxiety, I just thought that I was having stress problems. What you say makes sense! Most of my “anxiety” problems occur after eating! My heart starts to race and I feel faint! You have cured me of my psychiatric problems! :wink:

Actually, 25% of my former colleagues in the English department had the procedure after I did! They called me to get the details. You never know!

norinew and jsgoddess, my behavior before the surgery did not predict my success at all. In fact, the surgeons are looking for people who have tried everything else and failed.

: I researched this before, and the short version is this: the number of people who regain all the weight is about the same for weight losers via surgery and weight losers via dieting…they put it back on at the same clip.
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I have been unable to verify your claim. Do you have a link to research supporting that? The personal knowledge that you have is anecdotal, as is my own success. I am open to reliable sources.

Well, in the case of the man I was speaking of (Don), it’s not just that he’s been unsuccessful in other weight loss endeavors, but that he has a very bad history of following any advice the doctors have ever given him, like advice regarding his heart murmur, asthma, etc. It’s not just his eating, but a whole attitude of being unwilling to follow the rules. Don’t get me wrong, I love Don like he was a member of my family, and wish him nothing but the best! I hope, hope, hope this works out for him. But only time will tell.

This is my problem. Now that I’m able to eat whatever I want, I have to be careful not to. Since I didn’t deal with my food issues enough before surgery, I’m actually making an appointment today to talk with a therapist. I’m under no dilusion that my surgery was a “cure all”, so this is just part of the work I have to do.

I’m sorry if it seemed like I was offended by your question. I wasn’t. There are just so many people who say, “Why can’t they just diet and exercise, then they wouldn’t need surgery” that I wanted to clear the air about why some people do it.

I couldn’t tell you why people without pain or a disability have the surgery, since I never even considered it until I was on a downward spiral with my back problems. There are a lot of emotional issues, as well as physiological issues that we can’t see by looking at someone, even if they are walking with relative ease. It’s a major life decision, so I would hope that people don’t go into it thinking it’s a cake walk (sorry, I couldn’t resist that pun).

Zoe, the first time “dumping” happened to me, I thought I was going to die. I’ve never had anxiety problems, but it’s what I imagine a panic attack would feel like.

Email me. opalcat @ fathom . org (put something identifying in the subject line or it will get deleted.)

More than one of them may do this, but I know that with the DS it almost always “cures” diabetes (except for juvenile diabetes, obviously.) Many people have found they no longer need their insulin even just within weeks of having the surgery.

You keep referring to “the” surgery. There are something like a dozen different ones, and they all work differently. Sounds like you are just thinking RNY gastric bypass and ignoring everything else, because what you are saying doesn’t apply to all the surgeries. Like mine, for example, I eat normal sized meals now, and that is expected of someone as far out from surgery as I am. The plan was never that I’d have a tiny stomach and have to eat itty bitty meals forever. There are also no “unauthorized foods” associated with the surgery that I had, though obviously if I was a total idiot and tried to live off of twinkies and milkshakes then yes, I would regain the weight. So please… stop lumping everything into one because there is a really broad range out there.

Also, it’s not like after surgery you have a small stomach but a big appetite… you get FULL off of the small meals you eat. You don’t want to keep eating, because it’s the same gross bloated feeling that anyone gets if they stuff themselves beyond their limits. So it’s not like you have to exercise some extreme willpower to only eat X amount of food… you only WANT X amount of food.

As far as the exercise thing goes… my golden retriever weighs over 100lbs (which is still less than what I lost). Come on over sometime and strap him to your back and go about your regular exercise routine. In fact, just walk around with him all day. Sure, I could walk around a store without looking obviously disabled, but it was hard and it was exhausting and eventually my knees wound hurt…

I’m also curious about the person who did the “research” that found that regain is just as common after surgery as after dieting, because what I’ve heard is that something like 95% of all diets fail, whereas even the most-likely-to-regain surgery is still only something like 30%.