# Opinions wanted on fastest growing evergreen windbreak/screen plant **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 23, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667 "2006-07-23T04:10:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/21 "2006-07-26T14:35:49Z")
[QUOTE=Archergal] Bradford pears are the rottenest tree in the world, IMHO. Every single time a storm goes through the area, I see yards where about 1/3 of a Bradford pear has just broken off. I hate them, and wish they would all die. [/QUOTE] I see your Bradford Pears, and raise you the virtually useless Cotton Poplar. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Constipated\_Mathematician](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5fc32e/32.png) [@Constipated\_Mathematician](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Constipated_Mathematician)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/22 "2006-07-26T23:51:54Z")
[QUOTE=elelle] Iā€™se a She, Mama Zā€¦ ā€˜Carolina Sapphireā€™ and ā€˜Blue Iceā€™ are Arizona cypress, but do well outside the desert. They are gorgeous, beautiful blue grey foliage. ā€˜Blue Iceā€™ is more spiky looking,ā€˜Carolina Sapphireā€™, softer. Not zoom quick, but steady growing, and really stunning. Cryptomeria ā€˜Yoshinoā€™ is pretty quick, and has a soft, draping habit. Very Pacific woods looking. It gets quite large; my best specimen is about 50 feet tall after 18 years. It was topped in a big ice storm here in NC 5 years ago, but has recovered nicely, much better than Leland cypress damaged worse by the same storm. [/QUOTE] Thanks, elelle. I donā€™t know if the Carolina Sapphire or Blue Ice would be able to get through the winter in my zone (Iā€™m on a 5/6 border). I love the look of them both, though. As an accent plant, Iā€™d try one or two, but I donā€™t think I could use them for a long privacy screen. The Yoshino, though, could be an option. Perhaps as a plant to intersperse with the Green Giants. I like the idea of ā€œPacific woods lookingā€. Again, Iā€™m concerned about the zone. I think the Green Giants are leading the pack, but Iā€™ve also stumbled onto a Thuja ā€œGreen Splendorā€, but I canā€™t find out much about it. CM ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2006, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/23 "2006-07-27T02:04:14Z")
Generally, Arizona cypress is listed as Zone 7 and warmer, thatā€™s itā€™s native range, but it can take higher elevations, so is probably more cold-hardy. [Hereā€™s](http://www.coloradotrees.org/treeomonth/2004/may_04.htm) a site indicating that it does well in Colorado, doing fine in zone 5. For Cryptomeria ā€˜Yoshinoā€™, in a scoot thru various hort oriented message boards, some in zone 5 have have grown fine, some, in harsher winter wind conditions, perish. If you arenā€™t using it as a true windscreen (the only trees in a cleared area), Iā€™d give it a try. I couldnā€™t find a photo on the web that does it justice, but it is a stunning tree Thuja plicata ā€˜Green Splendorā€™ (for whatever reason, botanical cultivars are indicated by single quote marks) was first known as Thuja ā€˜Hoytā€™, after the Hoyt Arboretum, in Portland, Oregon. It has the same attributes as Thuja ā€˜Green Giantā€™, but is more columnar, ie, a narrower profile than Th GG. Thuja ā€˜Green Giantā€™ is a hybrid of the native Th plicata and Th standishii, more readily available, so you should be able to get good sized trees for a reasonable price. As I said before, get a 4ā€™ tree rather than a 1ā€™ one, itā€™s worth the extra money. Thuja ā€˜Steeplechaseā€™ is a sport of ā€˜Green Giantā€™ (a noteworthy branch from a GG tree that exhibited different traits, cuttings taken and propagated). It is more feathery in texture than GG, and is relatively new, being patented by Wayside Gardens. Pricier, and less available. It would be harder to find larger trees to plant. There ya go. Go out and plant them trees, and remember to give them some extra nurturing the first couple of years for best growth. ---
**Author:** ![Constipated\_Mathematician](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5fc32e/32.png) [@Constipated\_Mathematician](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Constipated_Mathematician)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/24 "2006-07-29T00:24:25Z")
Thanks again for all of the opinions, especially **elelle**. Before I buy, Iā€™ve stumbled onto two other potentials (damn internet!) Siberian Elm (ulmus pumila) Sub-Zero Hardy Canadian Hemlock (tsuga canadensis) Anyone have any experience with these? They appear to form a much nicer wall than the green giants, but I have no idea on their growth rate. I promise not to throw any other curve balls. I need to make a decision and place an order. ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/25 "2006-07-29T01:43:52Z")
Well, Consty, Iā€™m not going to abandon you at this pointā€¦ [Siberian Elm](http://www.nps.gov/plants/alien/fact/ulpu1.htm) is quick growing, but can have brittle wood and suffer from storm damage. Thereā€™s also the issue of invasiveness. From the above site: > [@](#): > > ECOLOGICAL THREAT > Dry to mesic prairies and stream banks are vulnerable to Siberian elm invasion. Thickets of seedlings soon form around seed-producing trees, bare ground areas, animal and insect mounds, and other disturbed areas. Wind carries seed to distant areas where new colonies can form. This tough exotic survives under conditions not easily tolerated by other species, allowing it to take advantage of open ground and resources otherwise used by native plants. Fast growing seedlings of Siberian elm quickly overtake native vegetation, especially shade-intolerant species. This often leads to invasion by additional weedy species, compounding the problem. That means itā€™s pretty seedy. At the least, that means youā€™ll have to mow or pull hundreds of seedlings in your own yard, which will be a PITA. Also, it may be bad for the environment, displacing native species. From Dr. Michael Dirr, the reigning tree and shrub master, author of the hefty reference book used by most horticulturalists: Siberian elm is ā€œone of, if not the, worldā€™s worst treesā€¦a poor ornamental that does not deserve to be planted anywhereā€. And he really tries to give a tree a break in promotion. Canadian Hemlock is a beautiful tree. Not especially fast, but worthy as a screen tree. In the same screen row with the Cryptomeria ā€˜Yoshinoā€™ previously mentioned, the next tree is a Canadian hemlock. Both were topped by a bad ice storm 5 years ago, and both recovered equally well. [Hereā€™s](http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/factsheets/trees-new/tsuga_canadensis.html) the NC State University page on Tsuga can. They are a nice reference for many plants as to garden worthiness, especially trees. Iā€™ve seen both the elm and hemlock used planted closely together and sheared to make a hedge, but that does require some maintenance. Might cut down on the seedy and breakage issues with the elm, though. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/26 "2006-07-30T22:33:12Z")
[QUOTE=Constipated Mathematician] Sub-Zero Hardy Canadian Hemlock (tsuga canadensis) [/QUOTE] Ummā€¦ hemlock? ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/27 "2006-08-02T01:42:19Z")
**Quartz** , Iā€™ve waited a bit to see if you would say what your question was exactly about Hemlock, but, I suppose you are just confusing the legendary hemlock poison that sucked Socrates[url+http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/h/hemloc18.html]last breathe, with Tsuga canadensis. They are not at all the same plant. Tsuga c. is a big olā€™ tree, native to North America, and the last gasp of Socrates is, by all accounts, ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/28 "2006-08-02T01:52:25Z")
Well, then, hit the wrong buttonā€¦see if I can recoup a bitā€¦ Tsuga canadensis is a tree, native to North America. Socrates poison was [Conicum maculatum](http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/h/hemloc18.html), a large plant that looks like parsely or Queen Anneā€™s lace that is very deadly. I remember it well, as itā€™s the only plant my well-taught herb teacher yelled at me as being stupid to even touch it. Thatā€™s why you find a good teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667/29 "2006-08-02T21:33:39Z")
So, whyā€™s it called Hemlock, then? Iā€™ve been educated here about the idiocy of American laws on poisonous flora, and you can bet your boots that some lawyerā€™s going to ask, ā€œAnd why exactly did you plant a tree called Hemlock?ā€ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/opinions-wanted-on-fastest-growing-evergreen-windbreak-screen-plant/365667.md?page=1)