# Oral Roberts U. is going DOWN!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2007, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773 "2007-10-06T18:09:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/61 "2007-10-09T10:13:03Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] Okay. [/QUOTE] I’m looking forward to your spirited defense of SCHIP expansion, universal health care, increased unemployment compensation, and repeal of the 2005 bankruptcy law. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/62 "2007-10-09T13:28:43Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I’m looking forward to your spirited defense of SCHIP expansion, universal health care, increased unemployment compensation, and repeal of the 2005 bankruptcy law. [/QUOTE] Typical liberal - gotta have the government do everything, don’t you? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/63 "2007-10-09T13:51:33Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I suppose the demise of ORU is a _possible_ outcome, but I don’t consider it to be at all likely. Like I’ve said upthread, I expect ORU will wind up smaller and much less influential. [/QUOTE] _Oooooh_, so it’s “going down” in the sense that an ugly swelling does. Now I get it. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/64 "2007-10-09T14:40:29Z")
[QUOTE=Rhubarb] Am I the only one to be surprised that a man named “Oral” has a son (nick)named “Dick”? [/QUOTE] I’m still trying to figure out what Oral’s brother Anal named _his_ kids. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/65 "2007-10-09T14:42:17Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Mudd] _Oooooh_, so it’s “going down” in the sense that an ugly swelling does. Now I get it. [/QUOTE] Think “hemorrhoid.” 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/66 "2007-10-09T16:13:13Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] Typical liberal - gotta have the government do everything, don’t you? 😉 [/QUOTE] Despite her initial misreading of my posts, **Cranky** was critiquing me from an honest place, and that place was somewhere to my left on this particular issue. She was saying that my gloating should be tempered, if not completely erased, by the consequences of the fall of an operation like ORU or Enron in the lives of ordinary people. I agreed that there was at least partial merit for her position. If you concur with that, then you, too, feel I was being too cavalier about the effects of the collapse of an enterprise on the lives of the ordinary people doing the tasks that need to be done around any business. But good, evil, and indifferent businesses go bust all the time, leaving their workers temporarily without employment or income. If you feel that I’m too hardhearted towards them, then what’s your answer? The market’s answer is “shit happens, sucks to be you for the time being, happy hunting for that next job.” But _that was the answer that my short-term acceptance of was too hardhearted for **Cranky** _. So, having bought into her critique, at least to the modest extent that I have, I’m asking you to explain in what way I’m too hardhearted for _you_, and how you’d see things done differently. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/67 "2007-10-10T16:05:53Z")
A word of advice. When looking up articles on line in referrence to this story don’t Google the words “Oral Sex Scandal” :eek: ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/68 "2007-10-10T17:11:45Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] It’s gonna rock the school’s fortunes pretty seriously. [/QUOTE] I don’t know if I’d bet the farm on this. The people who are zealots enough to support the university in the first place are only going to give more when the moneychangers are driven from the temple. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/69 "2007-10-10T20:50:57Z")
[QUOTE=plnnr] I don’t know if I’d bet the farm on this. The people who are zealots enough to support the university in the first place are only going to give more when the moneychangers are driven from the temple. [/QUOTE] Wow, what an optimist you are. You think Roberts is going to allow himself to be thrown out? He’s already claiming to be personally conversing with god about this – he will have handpicked his board to be the kind of faithful zealots who will stand by him until criminal charges are brought, if they ever are. They’ve already alegedly fired the professors who presented them with incriminating evidence. I forsee a big rug to sweep things under, or a huge flaming melt-down. To early to know which yet. ---
**Author:** ![D-bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@D-bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D-bear)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/70 "2007-10-10T23:59:01Z")
[QUOTE=ShibbOleth] I’m still trying to figure out what Oral’s brother Anal named _his_ kids. [/QUOTE] Not sure what he named them, but I recall one of their babysitters said the little shits sure were pains in the ass. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2007, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/71 "2007-10-12T17:18:47Z")
[Here](http://blog.beliefnet.com/jwalking/2007/10/rebutting-richard-roberts-abou.html)’s an interesting follow-up on the recent Larry King interview/spincycle with Richard Roberts. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/72 "2007-11-24T04:21:57Z")
An update bump: [Richard Roberts has resigned.](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071124/ap_on_re_us/oral_roberts_scandal_7) Yes, my predictions are again proven nearly 100% incorrect. It seems the corruption and financial abuse to too blatant to sweep under a rug. Not that there has been any acknowledgement of wrongdoing by anyone… ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/73 "2007-11-24T07:21:32Z")
[QUOTE=CrankyAsAnOldMan] I don’t have any great fondness for Oral Roberts U, but I find it curious that the OP is gleeful about the possible (?) demise of the University. That would harm a lot of people–students, professors, staff–that have little to do with the hijinks of the high-living, hubris-loving, drunk-on-Jesus hypocrites who founded the place. I guess you can argue that these staff and students made a questionable, misguided choice, but it just seems particularly shitty-spirited to cheer and gloat and hope for the University to “go down.” [/QUOTE] A girl I grew up with an dated went to Oral Roberts U in the late 80’s and it damn well didn’t do her any good. (long story, she’d dead now). I realize that its my opinion and that some will disagree, but no matter how shitty spirited it is, I would consider it a good thing if Oral Roberts U went down in flames. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/74 "2007-11-24T08:01:42Z")
Mr. Roberts Time to start shakin’ Today’s pig Tomorrow’ bacon - Burma Shave ---
**Author:** ![Madd\_Maxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Madd\_Maxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madd_Maxx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/75 "2007-11-26T13:37:57Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] Don’t know any other way to Oral than to go down. Oh come on, you know _somebody_ had to say it. [/QUOTE] So, how _you_ doin’? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/76 "2008-01-14T19:04:20Z")
[Rats are deserting the sinking ship](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_on_re_us/oral_roberts_scandal): > [@](#): > > Two televangelists have resigned their posts as regents at Oral Roberts University, as the debt-ridden school tries to regroup following a spending scandal involving its former president. The university on Thursday also settled with one of three professors who filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against the school. > > Benny Hinn and I.V. Hilliard resigned as regents, where they were involved in making major school decisions, university spokesman Jeremy Burton said Thursday. Burton declined to say why the two resigned, but said both wrote the board to express their support for the school’s mission. > > The resignations come a month after the resignations from the board of regents of two other televangelists, Jesse Duplantis and Creflo Dollar. > > Hinn and Dollar are among six televangelists being investigated by Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley to determine if the high-profile preachers violated their organizations’ tax-exempt status by living lavishly on the backs of small donors. They have denied wrongdoing. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773/77 "2008-01-14T19:54:12Z")
Damn, they had Benny Hinn AND Crefalo Dollar on the staff? It’s a miracle that those two didn’t sell the plumbing when nobody was looking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oral-roberts-u-is-going-down/421773.md?page=3)