# Orange Is the New Black Season 3 \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349 "2015-06-12T12:32:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/61 "2015-06-24T00:36:05Z")
> [@threeorange](#): > > Oh, in case you’re wondering, I’ve had my username for 12 years, and it’s not related to the subject of this thread. Ok but if you change it to **fourorange** next year, I’m gonna call you on it! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/62 "2015-06-27T15:28:42Z")
I wonder what happened with Soso’s backstory. We saw one scene of her mother giving her a hard time while she practiced piano and then…nuttin’. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/63 "2015-06-27T16:41:34Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > I forgot to mention - the flashbacks to Dayanara’s childhood were mighty sad and I can’t tell if we’re supposed to now understand/ empathize with her mother or what. Elizabeth Rodriguez has done a tremendous job at making me hate her and I’m not sure if her actions regarding the baby are supposed to redeem her in our eyes, but obviously that plan turned to shite. Aleida’s absolutely a shit person, but she’s a shit person for relatable, understandable reasons. Honestly, I’m still not sure whether her main motivation for giving away the baby was “making up for past mistakes”, or the paycheck, or her own emotional neediness/control issues wrt her daughter. I think \*she \*doesn’t either. Beauty of rationalization. One of the few well-nuanced characters in the show. Healy’s another one who oscillates between making you feel for the guy then wanting to punch him in his spiteful, misogynistic fucking face. [QUOTE=threeorange] I think so too. Litchfield was supposed to close before it was “rescued” by MCC. My take is that MCC acquired another minimum security facility whose equivalent of Caputo didn’t want to play ball, so they closed that one. [/QUOTE] So, next season : double the inmates, half the guards, none of the training, and with both Caputo drinking the Kool-Aid and rich son guy quitting none of the soul either. What’s the over-under on shankings ? 🙂 Speaking of which, I just realized : how the hell is Doggett in a minimum security prison to begin with ? She shot and killed a random lady in a fit of rage, for crying out loud. I could see why Miss Claudette, "Yoga"Jones or even Chang could be deemed by the Justice system as “homicidal but within a strict set of circumstances unlikely to happen in jail”, but not so much for hickbred wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/64 "2015-06-27T17:04:39Z")
I watched the first three eps, I found myself tiring of the nonstop abuse the inmates are subjected to. Bedbugs, no mattresses, no money for new mattresses … it’s probably an accurate depiction of prison life, in fact, probably a more positive depiction of prison life than the facts warrant. But I found myself not wanting to watch any more. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/65 "2015-06-27T18:25:24Z")
I didn’t much care for the ending. I appreciate the “washing sins away” aspect, but while I know this is TV and it will take a lot of liberties, I like a little more realism. It would never, ever happen in a real prison. Anyone catch Miss Rosa in Caputo’s flashback to his first day as a prison guard? I had to Google, but that was her. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/66 "2015-06-27T22:29:38Z")
I thought the ending was totally unrealistic (where were the guards!), but I still liked it. I liked that Cindy’s transformation seemed to come from a genuine place (though it seemed to come out of nowhere). I liked that Gloria felt bad about Sophia, and I’m happy that Poussey and Soso were able to come out of that loneliness and despair together. I was touched by Crazy Eye’s awareness of her sexuality, though I’m also kind of confused by it. I wish we could get some more flashbacks into her life. I liked Piper better when she was just “play play” evil instead of the real thing. It’s just not as funny. But I am looking forward to her getting too big for her britches. They built up enough suspense to keep me interested in Season 4. We know that Judy whatever-her-name is going to give Red a run for her money in the kitchen. And I can see Taystee taking her “mother” role to a whole 'nother level. I hope Berdie comes back. Cuz I’m real tired of Healy. Overall, I thought it was a good season. Not as good as the 1st (nothing could beat Piper beating down Pennsatuckey) or 2nd. But still quite entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/67 "2015-06-28T00:40:00Z")
I also hope that whatever the influx of new prisoners was sets the stage for Nicky’s return. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/68 "2015-06-28T01:07:12Z")
Monstro: the guards had walked out, and I believe there was a shift change so the new guards had already left. If you recall, no one was manning the front desk when the Martha Stewart lady came to turn herself in, either. If they hadn’t walked out, there would have been guards in the yard to stop everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/69 "2015-06-28T01:09:09Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Aleida’s absolutely a shit person, but she’s a shit person for relatable, understandable reasons. I didn’t get relatable or understandable from her scenes when Daya was a child AT ALL. She was a shitshow mother who just kept having more babies she was emotionally and financially unable to care for. She claims to love her kids but never actually mothers them. I think lying to Pornstache’s mother was admirable, relatively speaking, but that is like one of the only times we see her not being a total monster. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/70 "2015-06-28T02:04:07Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I didn’t get relatable or understandable from her scenes when Daya was a child AT ALL. She was a shitshow mother who just kept having more babies she was emotionally and financially unable to care for. She claims to love her kids but never actually mothers them. I think lying to Pornstache’s mother was admirable, relatively speaking, but that is like one of the only times we see her not being a total monster. You can see that exact same conflict in play when she brings Daya to the camp. Her rational (or caring, or motherly if you will) side wants the kid to be happy, find friends, experience the life that exists outside of the ghetto even if it’s just for one summer, regardless of what her ladyfriend says. Her asshole side just wants to ditch the kid so she can have a vacation and get laid (although how much of that was real, and how much was pretending to be extra-bitchy just so that Daya doesn’t miss her while in camp is left as an exercise to the reader). Her emotionally needy/jealous side gets in the way of actually enjoying Daya coming home happy, because being happy involved making friends with a woman who is not Aleida. Now, as you say, she’s a bad person - but growing up poor works that way sometimes. You make babies you can’t support because your life is a complete shitshow and you need _something_ to make you feel like it’s worth it - it’s not a coincidence that the poorest countries on Earth also have the higher natality rates. And you don’t think too far forward because you’re living day to day, you everything focused on trying to make ends meet till the end of the month - there was a great article on Cracked by a guy who grew up on foodstamps and, even though he now lives a comfortable life, just can’t shake off a number of attitudes and thought processes he developed being broke-ass broke most of his youth. [QUOTE=ZipperJJ] Monstro: the guards had walked out, and I believe there was a shift change so the new guards had already left. If you recall, no one was manning the front desk when the Martha Stewart lady came to turn herself in, either. If they hadn’t walked out, there would have been guards in the yard to stop everyone. [/QUOTE] What I didn’t quite get was : who were those guys in the pickup truck, and why did they cut the fence ? Were they stealing the chicken wire, and didn’t know it was a prison at all ? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/71 "2015-06-28T02:09:41Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > What I didn’t quite get was : who were those guys in the pickup truck, and why did they cut the fence ? Were they stealing the chicken wire, and didn’t know it was a prison at all ? 😕 I thought they were replacing the fence and that since no one was around to…well, manage anything, no one thought that maybe they should keep prisoners inside while that happened. So everyone just headed for the lake while they could. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/72 "2015-06-28T02:24:23Z")
There was a weird quick scene with two guys (I forget if it was guards or Caputo and someone) walking the perimeter and one guy sees a chicken and then a huge hole in the fence. The chicken was kind of a non sequitur. And the hole in the fence didn’t make any sense to any past story (why did no one use it before?? Who put it there?) but subsequently a fence company was hired to fix the fence, and they came and took down the bad piece of fence - during a guard walkout - and no one was around to tell them not do to that and no one was there to guard the hole so… Ending. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/73 "2015-06-28T02:39:05Z")
We did see Chang using the hole in the fence to store her oranges on the other side. Doesn’t seem like a good storage plan for fresh fruit, but I guess it was working for her. We’ve also seen the chicken before–or a chicken, at least. In one of the previous seasons there is a whole storyline about the mythical chicken that sometimes appears on the prison grounds, but no one has been able to catch it. The prisoners are kind of superstitious about it, like it’s an omen or something. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/74 "2015-06-28T06:25:27Z")
I found the (apparently sincere) conversion to Judaism the most affecting. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/75 "2015-06-29T00:44:40Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You can see that exact same conflict in play when she brings Daya to the camp. Her rational (or caring, or motherly if you will) side wants the kid to be happy, find friends, experience the life that exists outside of the ghetto even if it’s just for one summer, regardless of what her ladyfriend says. Her asshole side just wants to ditch the kid so she can have a vacation and get laid (although how much of that was real, and how much was pretending to be extra-bitchy just so that Daya doesn’t miss her while in camp is left as an exercise to the reader). Her emotionally needy/jealous side gets in the way of actually enjoying Daya coming home happy, because being happy involved making friends with a woman who is not Aleida. > > Now, as you say, she’s a bad person - but growing up poor works that way sometimes. You make babies you can’t support because your life is a complete shitshow and you need _something_ to make you feel like it’s worth it - it’s not a coincidence that the poorest countries on Earth also have the higher natality rates. > And you don’t think too far forward because you’re living day to day, you everything focused on trying to make ends meet till the end of the month - there was a great article on Cracked by a guy who grew up on foodstamps and, even though he now lives a comfortable life, just can’t shake off a number of attitudes and thought processes he developed being broke-ass broke most of his youth. My socioeconomic upbringing and current status is closer to Aleida’s than Piper’s, but I still don’t have much empathy for her. Yeah, it was good she sent Daya to camp, but to throw out her artwork while Daya watched? That was just unnecessarily cruel. I mean, I wait till my kid is asleep at least. She’s a bad person not because she’s poor and it’s part of an institutional poverty thing, but because she’s just awful. Love and caring don’t cost anything. I’m also projecting a lot of my own personal experience on her, how I was raised and how I am doing my best to break the cycle. So Aleida FOR ME represents everything that can go wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/76 "2015-06-29T06:32:19Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > My socioeconomic upbringing and current status is closer to Aleida’s than Piper’s, but I still don’t have much empathy for her. Yeah, it was good she sent Daya to camp, but to throw out her artwork while Daya watched? That was just unnecessarily cruel. I mean, I wait till my kid is asleep at least. She’s a bad person not because she’s poor and it’s part of an institutional poverty thing, but because she’s just awful. Love and caring don’t cost anything. > > I’m also projecting a lot of my own personal experience on her, how I was raised and how I am doing my best to break the cycle. So Aleida FOR ME represents everything that can go wrong. It was very eye opening into the mind of those people where they were discussing how a friend had put her child in an after school program and then how 2 weeks later social services showed up at her door asking about strange bruises. The discussion continued how they hate “outsiders” interfering with how they raise their children (where smacking them around is acceptable it seems). I never thought that this might be why certain poor people do not take advantages of educational programs offered in their communities. ---
**Author:** ![adhemar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@adhemar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhemar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/77 "2015-06-30T22:51:41Z")
never mind Google answered my questuin. Herion can be inhaled. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/78 "2015-07-01T02:46:29Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > It was very eye opening into the mind of those people where they were discussing how a friend had put her child in an after school program and then how 2 weeks later social services showed up at her door asking about strange bruises. The discussion continued how they hate “outsiders” interfering with how they raise their children (where smacking them around is acceptable it seems). > > I never thought that this might be why certain poor people do not take advantages of educational programs offered in their communities. This is a huge problem in some populations. It was one reason why I vigorously oppose any efforts to require schools to check immigtation status of the students. Often, the students will be citizens but the parents will not. If the family is afraid of being deported when they bring the kids to school, then there will be no schooling for the kids. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/79 "2015-07-01T09:28:20Z")
I really liked the first season, and mostly liked the second season, but the third season is not at all working for me. (I have only watched up to episode 9) There is no major storyline, and the stakes are not very high compared to the other seasons. Instead we get plotlines like these: - Crazy eyes’ book. Discussions in a show about a book that doesn’t exist and I havent read. They try to make it ridiculous to make it entertaining, but instead that just makes it unrealistic. - Interaction between Pearson and Caputo. Boring. - Bennett leaving all of a sudden. Seemed to sudden and unrealistic to me, given his previous behavior. - The spiritual group forming around Norma. Isn’t it sort of the same thing as the previous plot with hunger strike, involving the same people and the same types of discussions. - Stella and Piper. Makes me lose my last sympathy for Piper. Really seems like they are running out of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349/80 "2015-07-01T14:15:32Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > - Stella and Piper. Makes me lose my last sympathy for Piper. Really seems like they are running out of ideas. I lost all sympathy for her after the second episode of the first season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orange-is-the-new-black-season-3-open-spoilers/722349.md?page=5)