# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2221 "2011-06-15T19:52:22Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > [Comic #795 is](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0795.html) not[up already!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0795.html) > > Yeah, I’m disappointed too. > Also, I get so much joy seeing this thread pop up to the top of the page that I thought I’d pass that on to all of you (before crushing your hopes and dreams into dust). > > That link should work sometime soon. I hope. That’s it, I’m going to tell Belkar that you were the one who shot his cat. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2222 "2011-06-15T20:25:55Z")
Screw that. _I’m_ going to tell Xykon that **Enderw24** has his phylactery. Try to run, punk … ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2223 "2011-06-15T21:28:38Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Screw that. _I’m_ going to tell Xykon that **Enderw24** has his phylactery. > > Try to run, punk … Run? Pshaw. Xykon’s stuck in a mystical forcefield that apparently forces him to remain in [the year 2009](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0662.html). I think I’m safe. At least until book 6. ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2224 "2011-06-16T00:05:33Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Run? Pshaw. Xykon’s stuck in a mystical forcefield that apparently forces him to remain in [the year 2009](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0662.html). > > I think I’m safe. At least until book 6. [Bam.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0737.html) Thanks for forcing me to waste half an afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2225 "2011-06-16T00:34:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > . . . And I really hope that we’re not meant to take the title too seriously, as that would imply a rather drastic change in Haley’s, shall we say, vital statistics. I thought the title was the artist’s answer to Sabine’s comment re wanting “a nice, safe, reliable mass-murderer that I can depend on.” ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2226 "2011-06-20T02:52:47Z")
Quick question: Did Vaarsuvius gain a boatload of XP for killing a couple hundred black dragons a while back with the Familicide? If not, who did get the XP? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2227 "2011-06-20T03:13:07Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > Quick question: Did Vaarsuvius gain a boatload of XP for killing a couple hundred black dragons a while back with the Familicide? If not, who did get the XP? And similarly, does Zz’dtri fall under the [personal rival rule](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0581.html) (being a reverse twin counterpart), and is therefore always the same level as V, no matter what XP V earns? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2228 "2011-06-20T03:22:40Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > Quick question: Did Vaarsuvius gain a boatload of XP for killing a couple hundred black dragons a while back with the Familicide? If not, who did get the XP? Doubt it…there was the whole “effective level” caveat to his powers at the time. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2229 "2011-06-20T03:23:21Z")
V did not get much XP for killing the dragons-- her effective character level was equal to the sum of her own levels plus those of the three Soul Spliced mages. If V is level 12-15, as others have speculated, and each of those mages was at least 20, her effective character level would have been at least 75, and possibly well over 100. At that point, it’s nigh on impossible to get any experience, even for killing hundreds of dragons. [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0634.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0634.html) As to Zz’dtri, it’s hard to say. Certainly Nale is a personal rival for Elan, so it’s plausible but not necessary. Besides, V hasn’t leveled more than two or three times since the beginning of the comic-- no one has. Zz’dtri could easily have kept up or exceeded that, even without being a personal rival. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2230 "2011-06-20T18:01:14Z")
Just noticed something that might be significant. When Nale talks about Tarquin he says, “He’s a shortsighted fool, content to live out his dwindling day in luxury rather than seize true power.” His dwindling day? That’s an unusual term. And it appears from the spacing in the balloon, that it might have originally been the normal expression ‘his dwindling days’. Maybe it’s just a typo. But maybe it means something. Maybe Nale has reason to think that Tarquin’s life expectancy is down to a single day. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2231 "2011-06-20T18:57:22Z")
Grrr…stop bumping this thread and giving me false hope! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2232 "2011-06-20T23:20:03Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > V did not get much XP for killing the dragons-- her effective character level was equal to the sum of her own levels plus those of the three Soul Spliced mages. If V is level 12-15, as others have speculated, and each of those mages was at least 20, her effective character level would have been at least 75, and possibly well over 100. At that point, it’s nigh on impossible to get any experience, even for killing hundreds of dragons. Any bonus XP if V had belted out, “I AM AN SEXUALLY AMBIGUOUS SHOD GOD OF ARCANE!” ? ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2233 "2011-06-22T16:18:47Z")
It’s been a while now… longer time between strips than I’ve ever seen before. I hope Rich is okay. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2234 "2011-06-22T17:51:47Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > It’s been a while now… longer time between strips than I’ve ever seen before. I hope Rich is okay. Yep. OOTS just got lapped by Erfworld which is no rapid-updater itself. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2235 "2011-06-23T02:37:30Z")
Maybe he’s still dealing with problems with the latest collection. After all, it’s almost the end of June, and it still hasn’t been sent out. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2236 "2011-06-29T20:00:47Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > [Comic #795 is](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0795.html) not[up already!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0795.html) > > Yeah, I’m disappointed too. > Also, I get so much joy seeing this thread pop up to the top of the page that I thought I’d pass that on to all of you (before crushing your hopes and dreams into dust). > > That link should work sometime soon. I hope. Hey guys! Just thought I’d let you know that this link still doesn’t work. I know you all were wondering so I thought it best to keep you informed. You’re welcome! ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2237 "2011-06-29T20:05:47Z")
:mad: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2238 "2011-06-29T20:56:37Z")
These misleading bumps on this thread are driving me crazy! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2239 "2011-06-29T23:36:36Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Hey guys! Just thought I’d let you know that this link still doesn’t work. I know you all were wondering so I thought it best to keep you informed. > > You’re welcome! You know there’s a very special level of Hell being constructed just for you as I speak, right ? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2240 "2011-06-30T00:14:01Z")
I just got an email about the new book and game: > [@](#): > > # This is certainly long overdue, but here’s some updated info for the Dragon Tales and OOTS games pre-orders from Ookoodook. SNIPS, SNAILS and DRAGON TALES > > # After contacting the printer, I have been informed that due to complications during production, Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales will not be shipped out until sometime in July. The printer is sending a new set of proofs next week and if everything is separated correctly, printing should proceed quickly thereafter. Rich and I thank you for your patience and understanding. OOTS SHORTENING EXPANSION and DELUXE EDITION GAMES > > # The printer informed me just hours ago that the games would arrive in the U.S. on the first week of August. That means it will be close to the 3rd week of August before they get to our warehouse in Houston. We apologize for the delay. Part of the problem was that the final cards didn’t get to the printer on schedule, and part was that the printer didn’t include the expansion cards as part of the Deluxe Edition game. PRODUCT AT GEN CON > > My plan is to get a couple pallets of games sent ahead of the > rest of the shipment so that I can have them for Gen Con. I’ll > also bring a list of folks that pre-ordered the games, so if > you’re at the con, I can give you the game there instead of > shipping it to you. Sorry, no postage refunds - I’m paying > considerably extra to get the games expedited. > > # Folks that pre-ordered the book should hopefully already have it before Gen Con, but we’ll of course bring them to the show. CHANGING YOUR ADDRESS > > # If you’re moving, feel free to email us at [info@apegames.com](mailto:info@apegames.com). We’ll update the address in your order before it ships. WHEN YOUR ORDER SHIPS > > # You will get an email with a [USPS.com](http://USPS.com) tracking number when your order ships. FUTURE UPDATES > > Please see the Ookoodook home page for any changes in status. > I’ll also post updates to the GiantITP forum here: > > [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11307523#post11307523](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11307523#post11307523) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=111) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=113)