# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2461 "2011-08-18T13:37:31Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I meant “someone from Nale’s group” earlier. Okay. 🙂 It was a little ambiguous, especially since Nale does have sorcerer levels and could probably cast a scrying. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2462 "2011-08-18T14:00:19Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > But how would they know about Mr Scruffy in the first place? More logically, they were scrying on the location, and Mr Scruffy just happened to be the one who saw the sensor. Then how did they know about the location? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2464 "2011-08-18T15:50:20Z")
Tarquin seems to know something about Girard. Probably Nale does too. Maybe he learned the location of the fake gate from Girard. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2465 "2011-08-18T16:21:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Then how did they know about the location? Hence my suspicion that the scrying wasn’t the Linear Guild. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2466 "2011-08-22T22:31:54Z")
New strip [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0802.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0802.html) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2467 "2011-08-22T22:34:52Z")
So how difficult will it be for Yik yuk or whatever his name is and V to get back to the right plane? Is it a matter of waiting a day so he can prepare the right spell or is it more difficult? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2468 "2011-08-22T22:48:42Z")
If V knows Plane Shift, he just needs a day to memorize it, and then cast it. V’s certainly high enough level to cast it, operating on the assumption that V’s at least as powerful, if not more so, than the drow. However, that depends entirely on whether V’s ever learned the spell. It doesn’t make stuff blow up, so there’s a good chance V has never bothered to put it into his spell book. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2469 "2011-08-22T23:00:06Z")
Plane Shift is Conjuration, one of V’s prohibited schools. E can’t get out of there on es own. E _can_ use Sending to contact Durkon, who should be able to Plane Shift himself, though Sending will have a small chance of failure for being cast cross-planes. And even once Durkon Plane Shifts in for the rescue, that’ll only put him somewhere within tens of miles of where V is (and another error of tens of miles for the return to the material plane), so it’s not something that can be done quickly. On the other hand, that’s two Linear Guilders out of the fight, at a cost of only one Order of the Sticker (plus Haley, I guess, but she won’t be all _that_ difficult to get back into action), so things still favor the good guys. And ranch dressing is an element now? What kind of screwy periodic table _is_ that? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2470 "2011-08-22T23:11:12Z")
“Periodic table”? Bah! The classical elements are classical for a reason. (The paraelamental plane of ranch dressing appears in Ovid). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2471 "2011-08-22T23:24:07Z")
The Plane of Ranch Dressing is right next to the Thousand Islands and just to the left of the Caesarian Section. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2472 "2011-08-23T00:23:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The Plane of Ranch Dressing is right next to the Thousand Islands and just to the left of the Caesarian Section. No, no…it’s where the Condimental Plane of Buttermilk and the Condimental Plane of Garlic meet. On the other side of Garlic is the Condimental Plane of Vinegar, with the Semi-Condimental Plane of Italian where THEY meet. Why didn’t Gygax ever come up with this stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2473 "2011-08-23T00:46:54Z")
Maybe a local cleric of the Green Goddess can send V back. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2474 "2011-08-23T01:53:48Z")
**Gyrate** , I need a new keyboard. [shakes fist] I notice that Z-person is unconscious, not dead, and will return as a returning returning villain. I also bet yik yak yuk, like kolbolds before him, will not be. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2475 "2011-08-23T01:54:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > On the other hand, that’s two Linear Guilders out of the fight, at a cost of only one Order of the Sticker (plus Haley, I guess, but she won’t be all _that_ difficult to get back into action), so things still favor the good guys. I sniff an Enemy Mine scenario with V and the Kobold as they cooperate to get out of their predicament. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2476 "2011-08-23T03:03:50Z")
Actually, come to think of it, V might have a way of returning under es own power: E could cast Dismissal on emself, which would send em back to es own plane. It’s probably not a good idea, though: It’s got a 20% chance of sending em to the wrong plane accidentally (some of which are much less hospitable than the Plane of Ranch), and even if e did get the right plane, nowhere in the spell does it say _where_ on the plane the subject ends up. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2477 "2011-08-23T03:26:07Z")
I remember this Ranch Dressing appearing before. Possibly as a sarcastic thing V said. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2478 "2011-08-23T04:53:40Z")
Does Plane Shift just select some random plane that isn’t the current one? Is that what happened here? Could V have ended up in Roy’s L/G heaven for example? Or in the Three Fiends front office? ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2479 "2011-08-23T05:09:17Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Does Plane Shift just select some random plane that isn’t the current one? Is that what happened here? Could V have ended up in Roy’s L/G heaven for example? Or in the Three Fiends front office? According to the rules: "You move yourself or some other creature to another plane of existence or alternate dimension. If several willing persons link hands in a circle, as many as eight can be affected by the plane shift at the same time. Precise accuracy as to a particular arrival location on the intended plane is nigh impossible. From the Material Plane, you can reach any other plane, though you appear 5 to 500 miles (5d%) from your intended destination. Note: Plane shift transports creatures instantaneously and then ends. The creatures need to find other means if they are to travel back." So it looks like you choose the plane, of course, this is real rules and OOTS likes to make shit up for plot and rule of funny. If we’re going by the rules, we can assume that Z was hastily thinking of ANYWHERE before he dropped, which happened to be the Semi-Elemental plane of Ranch Dressing… for some reason. Maybe Z had salad the previous night? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2480 "2011-08-23T05:25:58Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > No, no…it’s where the Condimental Plane of Buttermilk and the Condimental Plane of Garlic meet. On the other side of Garlic is the Condimental Plane of Vinegar, with the Semi-Condimental Plane of Italian where THEY meet. > > Why didn’t Gygax ever come up with this stuff? Reminds me of a \*Casus Belli \*article helpfully providing rules for playing Blood Bowl in an arena filled with spaghetti and meatballs. Very unsporting if halflings are playing, for obvious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/2481 "2011-08-23T05:56:26Z")
Progress, V! A flick to the pride in the heat of battle and V was able to push it aside and rise above it. Before splorching into ranch dressing, but we can only control so much in life. I like how the the Ranch Semi-elemental has one red eye and one green, to match the flecks throughout itself. Durkon!! Where are you?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=123) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=125)