# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 151
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3002 "2012-01-07T03:03:24Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Oh, and since nobody tackled this … [Psst.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14634327&postcount=2965) What, am I on your ignore list? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3003 "2012-01-07T03:08:27Z")
> [@SCSimmons](#): > > [Psst.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14634327&postcount=2965) What, am I on your ignore list? 😉 … but you didn’t even explain what x3 meant, which was the important bit ! OK, so I skipped your post, sorry ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3004 "2012-01-07T20:21:18Z")
OK, catching up a few pages: 1: Why on Earth does anyone thing Nale is smart? We’ve seen no evidence whatsoever in the comic that he’s any smarter than Elan. The only intellectual difference between the two we’ve ever seen is that Elan _realizes_ he’s an idiot. 2: Rich has said that Monster-San is not something he just made up, but he has _not_ said that he comes from anywhere within the game. Until the ESCAPE bit, my preferred hypothesis was that he was the Son of Godzilla, but I’m not sure that can really be reconciled. 3: In regards to the timeline, in the sequence where Kazumi is visibly pregnant, at one point she complains about “six months of hemorrhoids” from the pregnancy (which started 8 weeks before the wedding). Granted, the hemorrhoids wouldn’t have started immediately, but I think she was speaking figuratively, and that the pregnancy as a whole was 6 months along at that point. Either way, though, that puts that scene at either 4 months or somewhat more after the wedding scene. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3005 "2012-01-07T22:18:23Z")
And Osmium - or rather Osmium Tetroxide, which will form the surface of the golem - is highly poisonous. ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3006 "2012-01-10T15:13:04Z")
[New one’s up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0826.html) Looks like V’s “Always attack everything” mindset isn’t that rare among elves. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3007 "2012-01-10T15:22:55Z")
Implosion. Eww. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3008 "2012-01-10T15:34:50Z")
Sneaky - having a plant in the prison! ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3009 "2012-01-10T15:43:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Implosion. Eww. You said it. (imaginary barfy smiley) ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3010 "2012-01-10T16:20:53Z")
What are the little red guys with bat wings? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3011 "2012-01-10T16:40:03Z")
This one’s taking a turn for the grim. So much for the resistance. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3012 "2012-01-10T16:59:59Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > What are the little red guys with bat wings? Probably [barbazu](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cjbHLdSoQug/TGwF26U4sKI/AAAAAAAAAfM/sShl85XFqoo/s1600/lesser_devils_02_barbazu.jpg) (bearded devils). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3013 "2012-01-10T17:15:30Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Implosion. Eww. That’s gotta sting. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3014 "2012-01-10T21:43:46Z")
Personally, I’m afraid of _any_ devil that has O-Chul’s hairstyle. This strip, incidentally, is the first confirmation we have that Redcloak is 17th level. Which makes him _seriously_ badass. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3015 "2012-01-10T22:49:06Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Personally, I’m afraid of _any_ devil that has O-Chul’s hairstyle. > > This strip, incidentally, is the first confirmation we have that Redcloak is 17th level. Which makes him _seriously_ badass. Agreed, although Redcloak’s comment (“Nothing _quite_ like the feel of a new spell level”) does make it clear that he’s just reached 17th level. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3016 "2012-01-10T23:09:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Personally, I’m afraid of _any_ devil that has O-Chul’s hairstyle. > > This strip, incidentally, is the first confirmation we have that Redcloak is 17th level. Which makes him _seriously_ badass. Nitpick: he could be higher level. He might have multiclassed. Or taken a Prestige Class that delays spellcasting a level or two. All we know is that he can now cast 9th level spells. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3017 "2012-01-10T23:14:48Z")
Nitpick granted, though _any_ class or combination of classes that can cast 9th-level cleric spells is quite scary indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3018 "2012-01-11T00:14:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Personally, I’m afraid of _any_ devil that has O-Chul’s hairstyle. > > This strip, incidentally, is the first confirmation we have that Redcloak is 17th level. Which makes him _seriously_ badass. Of course he’s badass, he’s a cleric. In D&D 3.5, that’s all you need to be insanely overpowered 🙂 [QUOTE=Larry Borgia] This one’s taking a turn for the grim. So much for the resistance. [/QUOTE] What are you talking about ? Who doesn’t get a happy when elves get killed in gruesome ways ? Although I guess then they’re just dead elves, not dying elves telling you where to find their friends, so they’re not quite the \*best \*elves. But close enough. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3019 "2012-01-11T01:51:04Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Nitpick: he could be higher level. He might have multiclassed. Or taken a Prestige Class that delays spellcasting a level or two. All we know is that he can now cast 9th level spells. > [@Chronos](#): > > Nitpick granted, though _any_ class or combination of classes that can cast 9th-level cleric spells is quite scary indeed. Wait, I’m confused. Are we talking about seventeenth level or ninth level? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3020 "2012-01-11T02:05:15Z")
Both. Upon leveling up to the 17th level, clerics get access to one (2? I’m not a DnDer.) spell from the class of spells labeled 9th level. [Here’s a chart.](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm#tableTheCleric) ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3021 "2012-01-11T02:05:59Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Wait, I’m confused. Are we talking about seventeenth level or ninth level? Seventeenth level \*\*character \*\*but ninth level cleric **spells**. DND uses level to mean a few different things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=150) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=152)