# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 152
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3022 "2012-01-11T02:07:27Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Both. Upon leveling up to the 17th level, clerics get access to one (2? I’m not a DnDer.) spell from the class of spells labeled 9th level. [Here’s a chart.](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm#tableTheCleric) One “regular” spell and one domain spell. That’s why the chart says 1 + 1. The domain is bonus spell related to the clerics deity. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3023 "2012-01-11T02:15:03Z")
Ah. I should read things. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3024 "2012-01-11T02:18:27Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > Seventeenth level \*\*character \*\*but ninth level cleric **spells**. DND uses level to mean a few different things. So, you want to go up a level? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3025 "2012-01-11T02:23:04Z")
Spells are ranked in power, from first to ninth. First are relatively weak, ninth gives you things like ‘Wish’. You have to be very high character level to cast a 9th level spell. For a cleric, 17th level. [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/implosion.htm](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/implosion.htm) Implosion. Bang. Target dies. Find a new target. Keep doing it for a while. > **[5th Edition D&D Is in Development -- Should We Care?](https://www.wired.com/2012/01/5th-edition-dungeons-and-dragons/)** > > Wizards of the Coast announces a crowd-sourced effort for developing the next iteration of its venerable tabletop RPG, but will this be enough to bring back a fractured fan community? By the way, 4E’s dead, 5E is in playtesting, Pathfinder is outselling D&D. I like Pathfinder. Edit: Nice callback, Hal. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3026 "2012-01-11T02:34:45Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > So, you want to go up a level? YES! Wait, do you have candy? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3027 "2012-01-11T02:38:42Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > So, you want to go up a level? > [@E-Sabbath](#): > > . . . Nice callback, Hal. Way back to [12.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0012.html) That’s almost time travel. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3028 "2012-01-11T06:29:11Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > This one’s taking a turn for the grim. So much for the resistance. Note the title of the comic this update: _Minimal Resistance_. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3029 "2012-01-11T06:48:23Z")
Another edition already!? That sounds like they’re following the [Eve and Larry](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0135.html) business model: Releasing a new edition caused their sales to plummet, so the solution is obviously to release _another_ new edition. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3030 "2012-01-11T09:39:06Z")
4e’s been out for a few years now. I imagine they’ve made note of all the problems people have found and it’s time to fix them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3031 "2012-01-11T09:46:57Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > By the way, 4E’s dead, 5E is in playtesting, Pathfinder is outselling D&D. The problem with that sentence is that it implies that 4e is D&D. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3032 "2012-01-11T13:53:45Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > 4e’s been out for a few years now. I imagine they’ve made note of all the problems people have found and it’s time to fix them. No. The problems that they’ve found is that their sales are not what they want them to be. Their fix is, apparently, “have everyone buy all the books over again.” Although if you go to their website and read any of the awful _Legends & Lore_ articles, heaps of pandering appear to be involved. Anyway. I know that Rich said he was not planning on moving OotS to a new edition, but I’ll be very disappointed if _some_ kind of edition joke doesn’t show up soon. This whole 3.5-Pathfinder-4th-5th edition mess just _begs_ to be mocked with jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3033 "2012-01-11T14:12:06Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Anyway. I know that Rich said he was not planning on moving OotS to a new edition, but I’ll be very disappointed if _some_ kind of edition joke doesn’t show up soon. This whole 3.5-Pathfinder-4th-5th edition mess just _begs_ to be mocked with jokes. He did publish a short comic like that, in [Snips, Snails and Dragon Tails](http://www.giantitp.com/GIPOTSDr.html). It’s called _Edition Wars: Invaders from the 4th [del]Edition[/del] Dimension_ ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3034 "2012-01-11T14:36:06Z")
[Others](http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/ffn/index.php) are commenting on the change as well. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3035 "2012-01-11T15:06:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [Others](http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/ffn/index.php) are commenting on the change as well. [And the process as well.](http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/01/11) ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3036 "2012-01-13T13:25:27Z")
[New Strip’s](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0827.html) up. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3037 "2012-01-13T13:34:01Z")
Sounds like he may be planning to keep the phylactery himself as a hedge against Xykon. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3038 "2012-01-13T13:39:48Z")
Interesting… so that’s why there were no goblins there, only summoned creatures. I thing Redcloak may be getting ready to make his move. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3039 "2012-01-13T13:59:30Z")
If possessing the phylactery would give Redcloak a hold over Xykon, then why hadn’t he exploited it _before_ Blackwing took off with it? Was it just not the right time yet? Or will he not be telling Xykon it was found at all? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3040 "2012-01-13T14:08:55Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > If possessing the phylactery would give Redcloak a hold over Xykon, then why hadn’t he exploited it _before_ Blackwing took off with it? Was it just not the right time yet? Or will he not be telling Xykon it was found at all? Xykon still has more raw power. If he knew Redcloak had it, he could take it. If however it’s a secret… ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3041 "2012-01-13T14:35:29Z")
It took me a while to realize what 190.23 meant. That Berlew is a freaking genius. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=151) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=153)