# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3422 "2012-02-01T00:09:04Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Learning that Redcloak wiped out the Resistance because he got a man inside is one thing. Realizing that Redcloak had a man inside for months, and could have wiped out the Resistance at any point is something else. That assumes that Xykon gave a damn about the resistance in the first place. They weren’t much of a threat to him personally, and he doesn’t care either way if the goblins hold or lose the city. Why would he care about crushing the resistance? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3423 "2012-02-01T00:16:26Z")
Yeah, the Resistance has been a threat to Redcloak, but he’s known for a good while now that Xykon’s an even bigger threat to him. He was hoping the Resistance would get the phylactery, so he could take it from them and pull the switcheroo. Letting them live for a while longer was worth that. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3424 "2012-02-01T01:12:47Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > That assumes that Xykon gave a damn about the resistance in the first place. They weren’t much of a threat to him personally, and he doesn’t care either way if the goblins hold or lose the city. Why would he care about crushing the resistance? Because they interfered with searching for his phylactery. Even given that, he didn’t care all that much – he just delegated the job and went back to his TeeVo. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3425 "2012-02-01T01:42:30Z")
Wow. The Kickstarter total is well over $300,000, so I guess we’re getting another Mystery Prize. Edit: At this rate, I think Rich may have to take some time off from the comic to handle mailing out all the rewards. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3426 "2012-02-01T02:37:45Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > That assumes that Xykon gave a damn about the resistance in the first place. They weren’t much of a threat to him personally, and he doesn’t care either way if the goblins hold or lose the city. Why would he care about crushing the resistance? Xykon doesn’t care about crushing the Resistance. He thinks that Redcloak is less competent than he is. By revealing his well-laid plans and handily crushing the Resistance, Redcloak would have revealed that he is more competent than Xykon thinks he is. We’ve seen that Xykon has a good grasp of protagonist/antagonist power levels; he’s always known that Redcloak was high enough level to wipe out the Resistance (they’re not PCs, after all). Xykon just didn’t expect he’d _do_ it unless he was forced to. Xykon now thinks that Redcloak was forced to. For Xykon to have thought that Redcloak did not need to be forced into being effective, but was instead merely biding his time for his plans to come to fruition… that’s Evil Overlord type scheming, and could’ve revealed the puppet strings to Xykon. ---
**Author:** ![iftheresaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecae2f/32.png) [@iftheresaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iftheresaway)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3427 "2012-02-01T16:20:19Z")
Question about the kick starter project: the goal (which they smashed, yay!) was to raise the money to reprint War and XPs. However, the only book I’m missing is No Cure for the Paladin Blues. Is there a pledge level that gets me that book? My incomplete collection is killing me. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3428 "2012-02-01T16:24:17Z")
> [@iftheresaway](#): > > Question about the kick starter project: the goal (which they smashed, yay!) was to raise the money to reprint War and XPs. However, the only book I’m missing is No Cure for the Paladin Blues. Is there a pledge level that gets me that book? My incomplete collection is killing me. Yeah Pledge $42 or more 33 Backers One newly printed copy of the second OOTS book, No Cure for the Paladin Blues, plus a Roy Greenhilt magnet, shipped anywhere in the United States. (Canada/Mexico orders, please add $7 extra to your pledge to cover shipping; international orders, add $10.) [New reward! Added 1/26/2012.] Estimated Delivery: Apr 2012 ---
**Author:** ![Claptree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Claptree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claptree)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3429 "2012-02-01T20:59:09Z")
Ooooook. Didn’t see that coming. Ballsier than I’d expected. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3430 "2012-02-03T03:25:09Z")
Have you guys been following the money-graph storyline? My prediction for the next one: Belkar is about to tear Elan a couple a new orifices when the graph re-size knocks him off balance. Heck, maybe something falls on him. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3431 "2012-02-03T06:21:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, the Resistance has been a threat to Redcloak, but he’s known for a good while now that Xykon’s an even bigger threat to him. He was hoping the Resistance would get the phylactery, so he could take it from them and pull the switcheroo. Letting them live for a while longer was worth that. But he didn’t need them to get the phylactery long enough to make a switcheroo - he was head of the search effort anyway. The gobs who found it would have brought it to him. After that, it would only have been a matter of Word of Recalling to his study, do the switch, climb back up the tower to greet Xykon teleporting in. Letting the resistance live that long, letting them know when it would be found (by not killing their spy or otherwise assign him to menial duties), let them nick it, then blow up the resistance to get the phylactery seems unnecessarily circuitous to me. Then again, RC has been known to overthink stuff 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3432 "2012-02-03T13:27:16Z")
Oooh. Now we are all getting stickers and a notepad, along with all the other goodies. I wonder what will happen when the pledges top $5000,000? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3433 "2012-02-03T13:37:29Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Oooh. Now we are all getting stickers and a notepad, along with all the other goodies. > > I wonder what will happen when the pledges top $5000,000? If pledges top $5 million, Rich will give a personal lapdance to each and every donor. If you meant $500,000 we’ll probably just get t-shirts or totebags. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3434 "2012-02-03T13:39:35Z")
It’s 5:40 am. What’s an extra zero or two among friends? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3435 "2012-02-03T13:58:39Z")
I’ve finally caved and thrown some money at them. In addition to the books I’ll get (in April), if I’m tracking this properly I can expect at some point: - the O-Chul prequel - the three “backer’s choice” stories - the Julio Scoundrél tale - the Dim Sun parody - the Sir Francois yarn - the Roy Greenhilt magnet - wallpaper to download (actually that’s a freebie for everyone) - stickers! We love stickers! - the OotS hit point pad That’s a lot of stuff, with potentially more to come. Yay! I’ll pass on the lapdance though… ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3436 "2012-02-03T14:00:09Z")
I loved the suggestion someone made on the comment thread on the Kickstarter page: t-shirts printed with ‘I kicked a sexy shoeless god of war and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.’ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3437 "2012-02-03T14:00:53Z")
I’ve just updated my pledge to full colour. I already have the prequels and Snips, snails. Can’t resist this chance to get the others currently in print. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3438 "2012-02-03T15:52:52Z")
I already have all the books, but I pledged enough to get the print and bonus stories. ---
**Author:** ![Aestivalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Aestivalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aestivalis)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3439 "2012-02-03T20:38:15Z")
I already have Start of Darkness and On the Origin of PCs. I’d like to get Snips, Snails, and some of the other books but there isn’t an easy package to pick up. Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3440 "2012-02-03T20:40:26Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I loved the suggestion someone made on the comment thread on the Kickstarter page: t-shirts printed with ‘I kicked a sexy shoeless god of war and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.’ Or the “I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.” stickers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3441 "2012-02-03T21:24:25Z")
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